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Topic: Ysceifiog marriage look up. (Read 315 times)
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wilcoxon
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Barry Sheene 1950-2003
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I realise this will not be transcribed, but if anyone can help me out with this,
it will be very much appreciated. Thank you.
Marriage 1846 Ysceifiog, St Mary
JONES Mark
ROBERTS Margaret ,
I think / hope it will be this Mark, unforunately I have only found him in these two records, but the occupation in both is to do with horses.
I`m also not sure about Milford, could it be Whitford, which seems more likely.
1841 HO107; Piece 1412; Book: 38;
Parish Yscyfiog. Gellilovedy?
Mostyn ? Stables.
Head is a Training groom ,In household are.
John Jones 15
Mark Jones 13
Robert Jones 15
1851 not found 
1861 RG9; Piece: 611; Folio: 35; Page: 5
Percy Row, Petworth, Sussex
Mark Jones 34 whipper in b North Wales, Milford. c 1827
Margaret Jones 35 b North Wales , Denbigh c 1826
Robert Jones 15 groom b North Wales, Denbigh
Mary Sarah Jones 7 b Brechin, Scotland
Alice Markrell Jones 5 b Brechin, Scotland.
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Jo Harding
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Hello Wilcoxon,
I cannot help with the look up at the moment but do know that in the 1841, the entry would be Ysceifiog, Gellilyfdy. This was one of the 8 townships within the ancient parish of Ysceifiog.
Don't forget, many non conformist chapels around there then.
Genuki covers it well. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/FLN/Ysceifiog/
Jo
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wilcoxon
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Barry Sheene 1950-2003
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Thank Jo,
Non Com records are the bane of my life 
I have narrowed the marriage to June qtr.1846
I had almost given up hope of finding Louisa`s family, my Wilcoxons were Chapel from early days.
I beleive Mary Sarah is my Gt Grandmother. This adress in 1911 is where my Dad, Oswald was born, his Mother Louisa Alice was illegitimate and died 6 weeks after the birth.
Thomas Wilcoxon, Oswalds father, Louisa and Mary Sarah Jones are buried in the same grave, Mary Sarah was 78 in 1933.
1911
Address: 12 Penygelli Road Coedpoeth
JONES, Mary Head Single F 56 1855 Sewing Scotland Kir
WILCOXON, Oswald Grandson M 7 1904 Denbigh Coedpoeth
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Jo Harding
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Hello Wilcoxon,
I wonder if they could have been in Scotland in the 1851 census? This is based on the ages of Mary and Alice in the 1861 census, together with the fact they were both born in Scotland.
I did wonder whether Milford could be Milwr.
I don't know if it is any consolation but the Parish Registers of St Mary, Ysceifiog are fantastic from what I have seen. The details included the maiden name of the mother in the baptisms, plus where she came from and her family. Trouble is there were so many Jones, Williams etc. it was impossible to distinguish which one was the relation.
In my case, a 4x gt grandmother, Mary Williams, born c1790, was one of 4 children baptised there with that name in 1790. Such is life
Have you found the family in a census after 1861?
Jo
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indaba
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The marriage between Mark Jones and Margaret Roberts is to be found on North Wales BMD - held at Mold - Ref. No. C26/1/E66
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edwards, evans, hughes -flintshire, denbighshire, anglesey griffiths - hope, saughall davies - penmachno hawker, robinson - gloucestershire, herefordshire newitt, pack, knight - northamptonshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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wilcoxon
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Barry Sheene 1950-2003
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There are the only records I can find.
I know Robert was still alive in 1889 as I have a Bible given to Louisa signed by `Uncle Bob`
But looking for Robert Jones 
1871
RG10; Piece: 3754; Folio: 139; Page: 26
West Seacombe Terrace , Poulton Cum Seacombe
James Cogle 42 cotton warehouse man ? b Ireland.
Mary Cogle wife 28 b Ireland
Eleanor A Cogle dau 11 months b Wallasy
Alice Jones 15 servant b Scotland.
1871
RG10; Piece: 3754; Folio: 106; Page: 50;
Victoria Road , Seacombe.
James Jones 40 bootmaker b Flint
Ellen Jones 38 wife b Liverpool
James Jones 12 son b Seacombe
Robert Jones 9 "
Catherine Jones 10 months dau "
Robert Cordas 24 boarder b Ballasalla
Fredk Bark 27 boarder b Egham Surrey.
Mary Jones 16 servant b Scotland
1901 Mary Sarah`s daughter , Louisa .
Living with the Carrington family at the Cross Foxes Hotel, Coedpoeth.
RG13; Piece: 5219; Folio: 103; Page: 18.
Louisa Allies Jones 19 servant b Seacombe. speaks both.
I wonder if this is Mary, born Kir ? in the 1911 record. I`m not very good on the Scottish place names.
1901
RG13; Piece: 5220; Folio: 7; Page: 6.
Living in Brymbo. which is very close to Coedpoeth.
Mary Jones 40 servant b Kirkmair, Angus, Scotland speaks both.
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wilcoxon
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IGI ,  I think this clinches it. I really hope their Dads are not both John
It seems registration only started in Scotland in 1855, so Mary Sarah possibly won`t be there .
ALICE JONES Birth: 15 FEB 1856 Brechin, Angus
Parents: MARK JONES and MARGARET ROBERTS
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wilcoxon
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Marriage 1846 Ysceifiog, St Mary
JONES Mark
ROBERTS Margaret ,
I took a trip to Cefn and had a look at Hayes marriage Index, it doesn`t go as late as these years, so it will have to be a Records Office
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Paul
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Hello, Ysceifiog Marriage April 25 1846.
Mark Jones(x) 21.Single. Mariner(looked like). New Stables. Father, John. Miner.
Margaret Roberts(x). 20. Single. Servant. New Stables. Father, Robert. Labourer.
Witnesses: William Jones & Elizabeth Davies.
Paul.
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wilcoxon
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Thanks Paul
This does look like my Mark, especially as he was in Stables in 1841.
Could he have been lying about his age.
So his dad was John Jones Great.
HO107; Piece 1412; Book: 38;
Parish Yscyfiog. Mostyn ? Stables.
Head is a Training groom
In household are.
Mark Jones 13
ROBERT JONES - International Genealogical Index / BI
Christening: 20 JUL 1846 Henllan, Denbigh, Wales
Father Mark , Mother: Margaret
1871 RG10; Piece: 3536; Folio: 4; Page: 1
Town Street, Edwinstowe, Nottinghamshire
Cunliffe Shaw 37 Gentleman b Cliff Hall Warwick.
Geraldine Shaw 31 Gentlewoman b Heathserle ?, Leicestershire
Robert Jones unm 25 groom b Denbigh, Denbigh.
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Rah1980
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Hi, I have been reading your posts and wondered if you knew about the racecourse that used to be in the ysgeifiog area although it was actually known as Holywell racecourse. Lord Mostyn owned it and it was by all accounts very popular, but closed about 1850's ish, i just wondered if your reletives had something to do with it. When the racecourse closed famalies moved into the building associated with it, i think there was two staples buildings the kennels (where some of my family lived) and the old club house or whatever they call it in horse racing.
Regarding your scottish ancestors there is a website called scotlandspeople.gov.uk which has parish records online, it is pay as you go but not bad value and in some cases you can actual see the orginal, i'm pretty sure from what i remember that it is a free search, you just pay to see the info.
Hope this helps
Sarah
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Flintshire/Denbighshire Parry, Price, Lloyd, Jones, Williams, Roberts, Ellis, Holland and Davies. Mostly from Brynford area. Clark & Duff (Scotland). Find my tree on ancestry rah1980, will help if i can.
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wilcoxon
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Barry Sheene 1950-2003
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Thanks Sarah,
http://www.acraew.org.uk/uploads/Clywd/THE%20OLD%20RACECOURSE%20-%20WHITFORD%20-%20HOLYWELL%20NO.CL.8.PDF
I had an idea it was part of the Mostyn Estate, but didn`t know much.
I found this item above which is quite interesting, and this one, look at Ysgefiog has a little it.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=47892#s10
I `ve not found Mark Jones in 1851, he could be anywhere. It seems that the 1856 entry for Alice in Scotland is on Scotlands people, Mary Sarah was born before Scottish Registration started, so she won`t be entered.
I don`t think it`s worth buying credits just for one person.
I have found more about Marks family, but they have very common names.
Holywell Chapel Street Independent Congregational Chapel
Mark Jones born 16/01/1827 baptised 1/2/1827
Father John Jones Miner
Mother Mary (MPN) Williams
Abode Mwdwl- Eithin, Whitford Parish
Hugh Jones born 27/11/1823 bap 14/12/1823 same parents and abode
Sarah Jones born 31/01/1829 bap 12/2/1829 same parents and abode
Elizabeth Jones born 17/01/1831 bap 3/2/1831 same parents and abode
William Jones Born 18/3/1833 Bap 5/4/1833 same parents and abode
I found this useful bit of info.
Mwdwl Eithin, meaning "Stack of Gorse" (Flintshire Place Names by Canon Ellis Davies 1959) was a small village in the parish of Whitford which is now Carmel
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Rah1980
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Thats strange, was Mwdwl Eithin a house name or a little area, i had assumed that it was a house name, Some of my family came from there although my mum transcribed it as murdwl eithin whitford but surely it has to be the same place? My family are Jones but don't fit with yours, My direct descendant Sarah Jones was baptised on 14/11/1841 and lived at that address, her parents were Hannah b1815 (possibly johannah williams) and Sammuel jones b1806
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Flintshire/Denbighshire Parry, Price, Lloyd, Jones, Williams, Roberts, Ellis, Holland and Davies. Mostly from Brynford area. Clark & Duff (Scotland). Find my tree on ancestry rah1980, will help if i can.
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Rah1980
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Me again lol, i've just checked my family on the 1841 census and it must be a little area because there is a fair few at same address, my relatives are in Bedw Cottage in 1851, i am assuming that it is the same place they were in, in 1841 but that it now has a name. I know exactly where Bedw Cottage is because it is still standing, although it looks far from how i should imagine it used to! I havent got any further back than my sarahs parents but perhaps the two famalies are connected
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Flintshire/Denbighshire Parry, Price, Lloyd, Jones, Williams, Roberts, Ellis, Holland and Davies. Mostly from Brynford area. Clark & Duff (Scotland). Find my tree on ancestry rah1980, will help if i can.
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clearly i dont think horses live in staples lol