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Topic: Need advice on finding birth of John Slater, supposedly in Southowram circa 1802 (Read 442 times)
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johnnyboy
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Hi all: I am looking for the birth/christening of my 3x great grandfather John Slater. On the census records that I have for him--1851, for example--in Ovenden, his birthplace is listed as Southowram, in about 1802.
Since Southowram is in Halfiax parish, I used the IGI batch numbers for England to search Halifax, as well as well as numerous nearby places. All to no avail. (His marriage to Hannah Town in Halifax parish in 1822, though, is in the IGI.) And since he had his children baptized in Zion New Connexion chapel in Ovenden in the 1820s, I checked various nonconformist chapels in the vicinity of Southowram., again with no results.
On the chance that the Halifax parish registers might be spotty for 1802 a few years on either side, would it be worth my while to order the Bishop's transcripts for those years?
Incidentally, the family name was spelled Slaytor in the 1841 census, but IGI searches for that name return Slater. Also, John Slater died in 1869 and is buried in Mount Zion Cemetery.
Any advice appreciated.
Regards,
John 
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ENGLAND, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton. SCOTLAND: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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libby9
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Hi John,
Have you searched for him on the BMD Registers web site?
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Hargreaves (Halifax, Leeds, Huddersfield) Armitage, Cock, Sharp(e), Womersley, Turner, Graham (Huddersfield) Priestly (York, Leeds) Cragg, Sutcliffe (Halifax)
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johnnyboy
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Hi Libby9: Thanks for your interest. If you mean FreeBMD, John Slater's birth in 1802 wouldn't be there. If you mean something else, please post the name of the website.
Regards,
John
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ENGLAND, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton. SCOTLAND: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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johnnyboy
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Hi BumbleB: Thanks for the look up. I appreciate it. I went to the IGI again and searched for John Slaters born in Yorkshire around 1802. The John Slater you found in Sowerby seems to be the likeliest candidate. I had suspected that John Slater's father might have been named Thomas, since my 3x great grandfather John Slater named a son Thomas (though it was his fourth son).
Regards,
John
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ENGLAND, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton. SCOTLAND: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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libby9
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Hi Libby9: Thanks for your interest. If you mean FreeBMD, John Slater's birth in 1802 wouldn't be there. If you mean something else, please post the name of the website.
Regards,
John
Hi John, the BMD Registers website (google it) has nonconformist BMD's, their records start at the year 1534.
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Hargreaves (Halifax, Leeds, Huddersfield) Armitage, Cock, Sharp(e), Womersley, Turner, Graham (Huddersfield) Priestly (York, Leeds) Cragg, Sutcliffe (Halifax)
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johnnyboy
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Hi Libby9: Thanks for the website. I'll have a look at it as soon as I can.
Regards,
John
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ENGLAND, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton. SCOTLAND: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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MalcolmBull
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Good work, Dobfarm. But, as someone born and bred in Southowram. I can't say that I have ever heard your local Sower-ram pronunciation of the name, and your Surbury rendering of Sowerby is also new to me.
Malcolm
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johnnyboy
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Hi Dobby: Thanks for the very informative explanation of the possible whereabouts of nonconformist birth records. Though I don't have any evidence that my 3x great grandfather John Slater was baptized into a nonconformist church, what you've written may help explain why I've had such a hard time finding his birth/baptism.
The bigger question is why and how John Slater got from Southowram (or from Sowerby or wherever) to the village of Bradshaw in Ovenden township. He may or may not have been born/baptized in a nonconformist church, but he certainly joined one when (or because) he married Hannah Town. Her family is local to Bradshaw, according to census records, and her baptism in 1804 is recorded at Mount Zion Methodist New Connexion, near Bradshaw. When Hannah and John married in 1822 (recorded in Halifax parish), John Slater is the one who did the moving. Perhaps he (or his family) had moved there earlier to join Zion Methodist.
I get my information on John Slater's birth in Southowram from the 1851 census. But I have not found him in the 1861 census, which would also have his place of birth.
Perhaps the very knowledgeable Malcolm Bull (or anyone else familiar with that area) might want to weigh in on how easily someone born in Southowram or Sowerby might have relocated to the small village of Bradshaw.
Regards,
John
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ENGLAND, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton. SCOTLAND: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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MalcolmBull
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Oh dear! Did you get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, Dobfarm?
No, I was brought up in a one-parent family in Southowram with my mother working in the mills, if that's posh. The only pronunciations of Southowram that I have ever heard were South-aar-um or, at worst, Suth-aar-um.
I know it's hard to bear criticism, but if you're wrong, you're wrong and we should always be open to correction.
... And I have contributed information to several threads [currently, the James Sykes of Brighouse, thread].
Please let's not air your grievances in the public forum, it does come across as petty
Malcolm Bull
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johnnyboy
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Please let's not air your grievances in the public forum, it does come across as petty
Malcolm Bull
Very well put, Malcolm. That kind of talk also hijacks the thread from the original poster.
Regards,
John
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ENGLAND, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton. SCOTLAND: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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johnnyboy
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Hi Dobfarm: I'm very familiar with Malcolm's Calderdale Companion. I use it often. Invaluable to people who are from three thousand miles away from Halifax and environs, as I am.
Regards,
John
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ENGLAND, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton. SCOTLAND: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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