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Granny Tidmarsh (Maiden name Mary Fletcher b1874 )
Re: Need advice on finding birth of John Slater, supposedly in Southowram circa 1802
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 16:24 UTC (UK) »
Hi John,

http://www.halifaxhistory.org.uk/Map.gif

First if you could find the entry you seek in 1861 census this would give clarity as to his birth place! In  some of the Nonconformist chapels all entries Births Bapt's and Burials  give abode and  much more detail than Anglican Halifax Church entries. I have been looking at the nonconformist Warley Chapel last week and there were entries with adode's of areas around Halifax IE:- Ovenden - Midgley- Sowerby and few others! thus they must have had a particular chapel to worship at !bearing in mind these were the early years of the alternative religions. Also most people think of exact location of towns and villages when they read these entry abodes but this is incorrect as (see Link maps) these townships had boundaries and these people could come from the furthest points of.
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In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth.
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Re: Need advice on finding birth of John Slater, supposedly in Southowram circa 1802
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 16:56 UTC (UK) »
John:  None of these places are a long way from each other.  In those days people walked a long way to get to work every day, and would certainly travel to get to a favoured church.  My own family lived in Wheatley but a lot of their children were baptised in central Halifax. 

The need for work would be a great incentive to move - most families lived in rented accommodation, possibly that went with the job, so if the job failed so did the accommodation.  I wouldn't be at all surprised with the movements of your family.  And the distances are not that great.  Admittedly a little later in the century I have a guy who was born in Wheatley, baptised in Illingworth, got married in Almondbury, lived in Norland, Millbank, Sowerby, Slaithwaite and finally Dalton in Huddersfield, where he died.  We sometimes have false ideas on the travels of our ancestors, even the humble ones (and I'm talking a Silk Dresser).

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Re: Need advice on finding birth of John Slater, supposedly in Southowram circa 1802
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 17:38 UTC (UK) »
Hi Dobfarm: Thanks for the map link (very helpful) and further info on nonconformist births. I'll try again today at the library to find John Slater in 1861. But I have a feeling that something is wrong with the census returns for Ovenden, since I've been unable to locate both John Slater and son James in separate households in 1861. Fortunately, there are other sons to look for.

Hi BumbleB: That question about how far folks traveled for work back in the day has perplexed me for a long time. Thanks for the explanation. Thanks also for clarifying the distances between these localities.

According to something I read on line about Bradshaw, the village economy was in decline even before 1841 and was kept alive by the building of a woolen mill. But my Slaters stayed in Bradshaw until sometime after 1871. The 1881 census finds them removed to Northowram. And if being a silk dresser, as my great grandfather Albert Slater was in Halifax in 1901, was a step up in the world, then the move from Bradshaw certainly improved their lives.

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John  Shocked Shocked Shocked
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ENGLAND, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton. SCOTLAND: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.

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Granny Tidmarsh (Maiden name Mary Fletcher b1874 )
Re: Need advice on finding birth of John Slater, supposedly in Southowram circa 1802
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 18:35 UTC (UK) »
Hello again John

Have you read up on the history of the times around 1750 to 1850 and the Luddites, the rebellions and charties 1820 to the 1840's  outside (England) and including Bradshaw history you have already read! In its basic form the change from the old ways like cottage weavers through to factory weavers and general  workers in Mills and factories also the infrastructure brought by the early industrial revolution and onwards

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Granny Tidmarsh (Maiden name Mary Fletcher b1874 )
Re: Need advice on finding birth of John Slater, supposedly in Southowram circa 1802
« Reply #19 on: Friday 06 November 09 01:40 UTC (UK) »

Hi John
For all poster seeking Info on John Slater b 1802.

Memory of THOMAS, son of JOHN
and HANNAH SLATER of BRADSHAW
LANE, OVENDEN who departed this
life August 17th 1833 aged 2 years
and 8 months
Also JOHN their son who departed
this life on the 27th day of February
1867 aged 9 years.

'Short was my stay in this vain world
And sudden was my death

One moment working with my hands
The next lost my breath.'

Also JOHN SLATER husband of the
above who died February the 27th 1869 aged 67 years.

'Farewell dear wife and children dear
I can no longer stay

The Lord has called me & I must obey.'

Also of the above mentioned
HANNAH SLATER who died Jan
15th 1882 in her 79th year

Also ALICE SOPHIA, daughter of
JAMES & SUSY SLATER of HALIFAX
and gran-
daughter of the above
who died March 15th 1871
in her 9th year.
'Death very little warning gave
But quickly called me to the grave

Hasten to Christ without delay
For no-one knows their dying day.'



Dobby
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In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth.
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