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Topic: WALTON on THAMES Marriage 1832 (Read 161 times)
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anewitt
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Hello,
Could somebody PLEASE help ?
I'm seeking as much Marriage detail as possible, between JOHN STEV(PH)ENS & SUSANNA(H) ROWE on, or near 19/11/1832 at Walton on Thames.
All details could be important.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
THANK YOU, and kind regards, Alan.
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anewitt
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Hello Nell,
Yes, you are right.
I must get my notes better organised.
Anyway, THANK YOU for your time and trouble.
(I'm still unable to find out anything about Susanna(h) Stevens (ne Rowe), in or around Walton on Thames regarding her birth or death).
I did find Eleanor Mary Susanna Rowed, baptised 1811 at Walton on Thames, but she went with her parents to Canada later in the 1830s.
Could this have been her, I wonder ?
John & "Susanna" Stevens did name their only child, my Gt Gt Gran, ELLEN (born 1833).
Unfortunately, 1841 census for Walton on Thames is missing.
Any ideas welcome, or am I clutching at straws ?
Kind regards, Alan.
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Little Nell
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I've had another look around for possible baptisms for Susannah but drawn a blank.
I've rechecked the burials as well, but come up with nothing. 
Nell
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Valda
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Hi
The John Stevens born Egham and aged 67 a cordwainer in Addlestone with daughter Ellen born Chertsey aged 18 gives his status as married not widower.
Which son married Mary who is also in the household but without her husband?
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Valda
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anewitt
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Hello Nell & Valda,
THANK YOU both for your replies and efforts.
I do appreciate you taking the time and trouble.
In reply to Valda's question :-
At the moment I'm not sure which son's wife Mary is, but I do take your point about John Stevens aged 67 being supposedly still married.
So far I have the following info :-
ELLEN STEVENS born 13/8/1833 at Chertsey to JOHN & SUSANNA(H) was my 2x Gt Gran.
I have a copy of her Marriage Cert (19/10/1862 at Chertsey) to Henry Taylor, on which she gives her Father as John Stevens, Cordwainer / Shoemaker and NOT deceased.
From the 1851 Census, Ellen can be found living with John (Cordwainer) aged 67, where it refers to her as Daughter.
So far I've been unable to find JOHN, SUSANNA, ELLEN in 1841
nor JOHN, SUSANNA, ELLEN in 1861.
In 1861 there is a possible Ellen Stevens living in Lambeth although she is listed as married. Mine being a spinster until 1862.
John Stevens born c1784 the Cordwainer in 1851, married Susanna Coombes in 1805 at guildford.
Their surviving sons appear to be :-
John born 1809, James 1816, William 1818, all at Chertsey.
Susanna(ne Coombes) died in 1823.
There were then 2 John Stevens marrying at Walton on Thames in 1832:-
1) in Feb John Stevens marrying Mary Stevens (no details known)
2) in Nov John Stevens (Widower) marrying Susanna Rowe.
However, this still leaves me a bit baffled regarding ELLEN's Mother.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you and kind regards, Alan.
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Valda
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Hi
There is no question on an English marriage certificate which asks whether a father is deceased or not. It was merely custom and practice of some officials to include it. Many did not, so the absence of the word doesn't actually indicate a father was not deceased.
I think it might be worth trying to track down which wife to which son Mary was. Both Susannah and Mary's husband are missing on the 1851 census. In reality it is likely John's sons were nearer in age to his second wife than he was.
It might be possible to eliminate other sons by finding them on the 1851 census.
Regards
Valda
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anewitt
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Hello Valda,
THANK YOU for your reply, and I do take your point about a Father being deceased. There is a John Stevens death registered at Chertsey in 1857, and Ellen's Father is nowhere to be found in 1861. This could possibly have been his death.
Regarding John's sons, I believe I can account for James & William's wives, so that would leave John Jnr born 1809.
There are a John & Martha Stevens in Chertsey.
In 1851 & 1861 they are living at Goose Pool, Chertsey.
Interestingly, on ELLEN's Marriage Cert in 1862, she gives her address as Goose Pool, Chertsey.
I have Baptisms & Burials for Chertsey on fiche, but unfortunately not Marriages. Maybe the Marriage records might hold some clues as to whether this John Stevens (Bricklayer), could be the son of John the Cordwainer.
The whereabouts of Susanna though, are still a mystery.
The only Susanna Stevens death I can find around that era is the wife of a Charles Stevens at Gt Bookham in 1846.
Thank you and kind regards, Alan.
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Valda
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Hi
If John junior married a Martha then you have no candidate for the husband of Mary on the 1851 census. John Stevens in Chertsey on the 1851 census was aged 34 and 46 in 1861 (1841 - 25, adult ages rounded down to the nearest 5). At best that's 6 years younger than a baptism in 1809. That John was a bricklayer. Do you have evidence that John senior's son was a bricklayer other than your view this is the same man adjusting his age?
JOHN STEVENS
Birth: 22 NOV 1809
Christening: 25 DEC 1809 Chertsey, Surrey
Father: JOHN STEVENS
Mother: SUSANNAH COOMBES
JOHN STEVENS
Birth: 10 DEC 1816
Christening: 05 JAN 1817 Chertsey, Surrey
Father: WILLIAM STEVENS
Mother: ANN
What occupations did James and William have?
Regards
Valda
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anewitt
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Hello Valda,
THANK YOU for your reply.
Regarding John Stevens (Bricklayer) & Martha, I think you're right. He does appear to be NOT my man, but the son of William & Ann.
I believed that I had candidates for James & William Stevens, but upon reflection, they can't be the ones concerned.
This now leaves me unsure as to which son was Mary's husband.
Do you think it likely that SUSANNA and Mary's husband have gone away together ?
Thanks, and kind regards, Alan.
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Valda
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I have no idea. I just think you need to research all of John Stevens surving sons to find out as much information as possible about the family. You might also want to check whether John Stevens senior left a will.
Regards
Valda
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anewitt
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Hello Valda,
THANK YOU for your reply. I shall investigate the possibility of a will for John Snr, and continue searching for his children.
Kind regards, Alan.
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