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JacobeaM
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi,
I am trying to trace any siblings, the parents and grandparents (and further back if possible!) of my ggg grandfather, Philip Matty (sometimes misspelt Mattey). He was born in Tewkesbury according to the 1841 Census (on which he said he was 30) but I have hit a dead end trying to trace the Matty line back further. I have found records of Mattys scattered in and around Tewkesbury, but can't find a link between any of them and Philip (I presume there is one - seems too coincidental). He married to Esther Harris of Overbury, Worcestershire, in 1843 before dying in Tewkesbury in 1873.
Can anyone help?
Many thanks 
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Arranroots
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Hi JacobeaM
Welcome to Rootschat!
Have you located a marriage reference for him and Esther? You should get his father's name and occupation from the marriage certificate.
Kind regards, Arranroots 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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charlotteCH
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Hi JacobeaM and welcome to rootschat.
What Arranroots advises is exactly the way to go. If you have the father's name & occupation and his exact place of birth it narrows the field for you.
Do you know how to go about buying the marriage certificate?
charlotte
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Yak3
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Philip Matty, Bachelor of Full Age, Postman was married in Tewkesbury Abbey on January 2nd 1843
listed as living in Tewkesbury
His father listed as Henry Matty a Stocking Maker
His bride was Esther Harris listed as living in Tewkesbury - Father just listed as Harris was a labourer
They were married by Banns and both signed
Witnesses: Henry Matty and Mary Matty
Glos Archives Ref: P329 In 1/17 - Page 90 - Ref 180
Philip Matty, postman was buried in Tewkesbury Cemetery 24th July 1873 age 62. Ref number: 1702
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lizdb
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This is confusing
1841
HO107 380 4 Tewkesbury
Philip Matty 30 stocking maker
Hester 25
Jane 5
Rose 3
Henry 4mths
Is this the same one that married (H)esther in 1843, implying they were not married at the time of this 1841 census, despite the 3 children?
BUT - this one is a stocking maker, and that one a postman?
lets see what 1951 brings...
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lizdb
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Yes - 1851 confirms the change of occupation.
HO107 1974 347 11
High Street Tewkwsbury
Philip Mattey 42 Postman bn tewks.
Esther 36 bn Worcs Ovenbury
Rose 12 bn T
Henry 10 bn T
William 8 bn T
John 4 bn T
so we now know from the marriage that his dad was Henry, a stocking maker.
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JacobeaM
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Yak3 - thank you  I was just looking into ordering a certificate, but you've saved me the hassle with the post! I think I know which Henry Matty might be his father, as I found one (though married to Sarah) in the area in the 1790s/1810s, although nothing about a son called Philip. It gives me something to look for though. Thanks again
lizdb - yes, having children before marriage was apparently common in the Matty side of my family, with at least two generations doing so. I thought it was odd, given the ol' Victorian morals, but apparently they were too poor to care! Esther/Hester are indeed the same woman (died 1896).
Thank you all Now to find Henry Matty.
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Glouc Man
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There are references to Philip Matty in the Woodard Database of the Tewkesbury Historical Society www.ths.freeuk.com (database is not available on-line though)
Burial Register Of Tewkesbury Borough Council, Transcribed By Mike English In 2002-3
Philip MATTY
24 July 1873
62
1702
postman
There are some other references to the family, particularly from someone else tracing the line. If you let me have your email address I can give you her details.
regards
Derek (THS Webmaster)
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Martin, Attwood, Tovey, Turner, Farmer, Carroll, Lideard, Clark, Drinkwater
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JacobeaM
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Glouc Man,
That Philip Matty is Philip Matty Snr's grandson (my great-grandfather's elder brother). Great to see he remained a troublemaker even after the Great War It would seem none of the family put a great emphasis on education.
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