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kaydoubleu27
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Suname change - COMPLETED THANKS
« on: Monday 26 October 09 08:16 UTC (UK) »

I expect this has been asked before but anyway.....

I have an ancestor who was born illegitimately, I have his birth certificate and his name is Charles Bradley (mothers name Charlotte Bradley - no one named as father). Several years later his mother married Jeremiah Murphy and from then on Charles and his older sister took the name Murphy.

I have Charles marriage certificate and on it he gives his name as Charles Murphy, father is Jeremiah.

Was this commonplace when 'adoptions' weren't formalised? I just thought that with a marriage certificate being a legal document he should have given his name at birth rather than the name he was known by.

Not massively important, just interesting.

Thanks

Kim

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Re: Suname change
« Reply #1 on: Monday 26 October 09 09:11 UTC (UK) »

I think that as long as there's no intent to defraud you can call yourself whatever you like.

In this instance, depending on how old he was when Charlotte and Jeremiah married he may well have thought that Jeremiah was his father or he may have put Jeremiah as his father to keep up appearances.

My nana was also illegitimate, she was registered under her mothers surname Wilson but married as Brown, the name of her adopted family.
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Re: Suname change
« Reply #2 on: Monday 26 October 09 09:44 UTC (UK) »

I think (and if I'm wrong some one will put me right) that legally you had to use the name you were currently known by at the time of marriage.
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Re: Suname change
« Reply #3 on: Monday 26 October 09 10:15 UTC (UK) »


Formal adoption didn’t come into place until 1927
You could and still can call yourself by whatever name you like as long as there is no intention to defraud.

I posed this question sometime ago:

When did ID have to be produced in order to get married,

But I have not had a reply.
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Re: Suname change
« Reply #4 on: Monday 26 October 09 11:09 UTC (UK) »

I certainly didn't produce ID to marry in 1992.
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Re: Suname change
« Reply #5 on: Monday 26 October 09 11:14 UTC (UK) »

I believe it is not absolutely essential to carry out any procedure to change surname, though it can save time and questions in the modern world.
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Re: Suname change
« Reply #6 on: Monday 26 October 09 11:15 UTC (UK) »

Pauline i went to book a marriage in 1998 and was asked for ID i.e. birth certificate, passport. (i didnt marry)


I don't know how the immigrants who marry for the purpose to stay in the Country get around that  Undecided

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Re: Suname change
« Reply #7 on: Monday 26 October 09 12:36 UTC (UK) »

Charles was 5 when his mother married and his sister 7 so I would imagine they both knew that Jeremiah wasn't their father but you've answered my question.

Thanks to all for your input - much appreciated.

Kim
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