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Topic: Lady Di's Second Chance Scavenger Hunt..Everyone Welcome To Join In (Read 1332 times)
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Tephra
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Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt and I think You're going to like this one, it's very interesting....tricky, but interesting.
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
Barbara
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Hi Folks,
I’m trying to make sense of my GINGER family and I’m at a bit of a standstill as everything I have so far is based on assumptions and maybes – plus, having been up the wrong tree once before, I think I’m trying too hard to prove something that should be relatively easy – hopefully!
The lady in question is Emma Ginger and her parents.
Emma GINGER (B: 17.04.1816, Bp: 07.12.1817 Saint Leonard Heston)
Emma Ginger married William Smith 27 Mar1837 St Martin in the Fields Westminster
The 1851 census shows Emma and her husband, William Smith, living in Bond St Row, Brighton Sussex with some of their children. Emma is aged 34, born Hounslow Middlesex. Their son’s birth cert confirms her maiden name was Ginger.
Unfortunately Emma died before the 1861 census.
At this stage I’m assuming this may be Emma’s birth/baptism record:
Emma GINGER (B: 08.11.1817, Bp: 07.12.1817 Saint Leonard Heston) the daughter of Richard and Mary Ginger (no occupation listed for Richard).
On the same day, it appears that Emma’s younger sister, Eliza Ginger, was also baptised.
The same parish records state that at least two further children were born to Richard and Mary; Eleanor in 1820 and Thomas in 1821. These two entries state their father, Richard Ginger, was a Publican.
The same Church records show the burial of a Richard and Mary Ginger 2 years later.
Mary Ginger died/buried 16 Feb 1823 Saint Leonard, Heston (aged 44).
Richard Ginger died 23 Feb 1823, again Saint Leonard, Heston (aged 48)
I can’t confirm that these were Emma’s parents but it looks likely/possible.
The only marriage I have found for a possible Richard and Mary is 21.03.1796 Saint Luke Old Street Finsbury. Could these be Emma’s parents?
Submitted entry on IGI states that a Richard and Mary Ginger had 10 children between 1797 and 1814 – all recorded as being baptised at “Harrow London”.
The (living) children were William 1797, Richard 1802, Thomas 1804, John 1806, Jane Hunt 1808, Mary Ann 1810, John 1812 (married Ann Hurst?) and Daniel* 1814 (married Mary Ann Simms?). I don’t always trust submitted entries and can’t confirm that these are correct.
Emma, Eliza* (married Joseph Bond?), Eleanor and Thomas are not listed as siblings of these children on the IGI submission.
(*= A Family tree on Ancestry shows the marriage cert for a Daniel Ginger – witnesses were Eliza and Joseph Bond. BUT Eliza’s marriage cert to Joseph Bond doesn’t say that her father was Richard – it’s blank! Could this be a different Eliza?)
I believe I have John (1812) and Daniel (1814) on census but can’t confirm any of the others even survived childhood. Maybe they all died in infancy?
I’m trying to confirm that I have the correct Emma Ginger and if the first 10 Ginger children were actually siblings of Emma or are there two different families? If they are two different families then I have to find another Richard and Mary Ginger as Emma’s parents.
I have found bits and pieces (and met some very helpful people/possible kin) but nothing so far ties the whole lot together into a family unit that will confirm I have the correct parents of Emma.
I’d hate to rely on an IGI submitted entry as proof I’m following the correct family line so any assistance would be very welcome and very much appreciated.
Please note amendment in RED
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Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.
Abbott In Islington
Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden
Lamb In Bolton and Ireland
Grundy In Bolton
Blackledge In Bolton
Osbaldeston ?? ??
Barnett in Islington
Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton
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Lady Di
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I'm here!! 
Thanks Barbara 
Toni - unfortunately they married just before registration and there was nothing useful on the record.
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MOULE :Whaddon in Cambs SMITH :SSX/Brighton and Birmingham TATTERSALL : NSW aft 1862 VANDERGUCHT : All UK & NSW GINGER : London AGGS : Norfolk & London GOODWIN : Kent Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Lady Di
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Eliza was born 08.11.1817, Bp: 07.12.1817
St Leonard Heston - no occupation for Richard
The records are on the LMA/Ancestry new files.
Richard is only listed as a Publican on Eleanor and Thomas' baptism records.
Eleanor Ginger B: 07.01.1820, Bp: 21.01.1820
St Leonard, Heston, Parents: Richard and Mary - Occ: Publican
Thomas Ginger B: 24.08.1821, Bp: 01.09.1821
St Leonard, Heston, Parents: Richard & Mary (Bp: At Publican’s House)
Their Abode is listed as Hounslow on all baptisms
I don't know how far Heston is from Hounslow but they aren't far apart according to the map (a few miles maybe?)
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Lady Di
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Thanks for the map Tephra
Ooops - I made a mistake with Emma's details (didn't take me long, did it!!) 
Emma GINGER B: 17.04.1816, Bp: 07.12.1817
Eliza was born 08.11.1817, Bp: 07.12.1817
both at St Leonard Heston - no occupation for Richard on either record
I have a possible sightings of a Thomas Ginger but can't confirm it's the right guy.
I have not found Eleanor at all anywhere
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Lady Di
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Marriage:
Richard Ginger married Mary Marten 21.03.1796 Saint Luke Old Street Islington/Finsbury
There were just too many Mary Martin/Marten records to pin one down.
The only IGI record for Richard was a possible son of Daniel & Jane in Watford Herts B; c. 1775 - but again I can't confirm it's the right guy - and some IGI entries are a bit suspect!
I haven't found any records on TNA for Richard the Publican unfortunately
Di
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hepburn
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Mary's maiden name is Marten...
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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hepburn
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The London Baptism's don't show 10 children, only 5....to Richard and Mary...
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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Hounslow.jpg
they must be particulary fertile couple