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sangal
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Ira man killed in action 1922 completed
« on: Tuesday 27 October 09 10:35 UTC (UK) »

Hi I just found a head stone for my grandfathers cousin.
John Monks soldier f company 4th batt IRA. Killed in action 28 th June 1922.Would this have been in the news papers.
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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 October 09 14:05 UTC (UK) »

28 June 1922 was the first day of the Civil War. The Four Courts in Dublin, which were held by the IRA, were bombed by Free State troops. It is likely possible that John Monks died in this engagement.

Interesting background here but no casualty list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dublin

Dara.
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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 October 09 14:35 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Dara
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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 08 November 09 11:18 UTC (UK) »

There doesn't seem to be any account of this apart from the information below. In my experience they didn't always register the deaths of military casualties in the civil registration system either. However, there is one reference to him in the Irish Independent of July 13th, 1922.
"The Management Committee of the Irish General Railway and Engineering Union, at their last meeting, expressed sympathy with Brother Thomas Monks on the death of his son, Brother John Monks."
That's all there is, I'm afraid. Sad
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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 November 09 17:56 UTC (UK) »

Thank you so much for that information.
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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 November 09 13:19 UTC (UK) »

If he was a Railway worker you might find something in the Railway Archives:

http://www.irrs.ie/Common%20Files/archive.htm

Dara.
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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 10 November 09 14:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi, I was in the library there on other business and took a look at the Irish history material. Nothing in O'Farrell's Who's Who of the Irish War of Independence and Civil War, which can be a bit hit-and-miss anyway. Then I looked at the Last Post, which is a list of Republican Dead published by the National Graves Association (Second Ed. 1976). On p. 94, it says:

Monks, John. 21, Nash St., Inchicore, Dublin. Killed at Rudlow, Clondalkin, Co. Dublin. 29/6/'22. Buried Bluebell Cemetery, Dublin.

So, armed with that information I tried searching for a few things in the Irish Newspaper Archives and came up with this, in an article called ITEMS OF THE SIEGE, in the Irish Independent of Friday, June 30, 1922, page 3. Most of this is concerned with the siege of the Four Courts but there is a subheading called Incidents in the Suburbs:

Incidents in the Suburbs
After the attack at Clondalkin on Wednesday night on National troops, the latter found the dead body of one of the attackers, stated to be a man named Monks, of Inchicore. Later a woman drove up in a horse and car, and claimed the remains, which were handed over to her.

Hope this helps. Smiley
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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 November 09 16:00 UTC (UK) »

oh my God.

That is so interesting. Is it possible to get a copy of that Paper .If yes how would I go about it.
thank you very much.
Sandra
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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 15:27 UTC (UK) »

Just a correction. I was looking at the book Who's Who of the Irish War of Independence and I said that John Monks death was not recorded in it. In fact it is there in the section about the Anti-Treaty dead in the Civil War. I just missed it. I note also that an R. Monks was killed in August of that year. Was he also a relative?
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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 17:42 UTC (UK) »

There was a Richard Monks listed as a witness at his fathers marriage .So it could be an uncle.That family were living around Fox and Geese in Clondalkin co. Dublin at the time .Do the records mention an address ?
Thank you once again.

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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 18:04 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sangal, Unfortunately I don't have the book to hand but I'll look into it and get back to you before Friday.  Smiley
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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 18:57 UTC (UK) »

thanks a million.
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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 26 November 09 11:24 UTC (UK) »

According to the Last Post, he was R Monks from Kildare and he died on the 30th of August 1922 in the Curragh Internment Camp. So unless you have family links with Kildare, he probably wasn't related. If I dig up anything else I'll post it here, anyway.  Smiley
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Re: Ira man killed in action 1922
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 26 November 09 11:37 UTC (UK) »

thanks a million
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