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Topic: Gillespie family Ballylinney - Births & deaths mid 19thc (Read 305 times)
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MaggieTag
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Hi Rootschatters,
This family are Presbyterian and I've had some success with records of marriages and baptisms in Ballylinney and Kilbride Pres Churches from about 1890's on wards. However can't find anything in these churches prior to this. Have information from headstone inscriptions in Old Ballylinney and Griffiths that indicate that the Gillespies were definitely in Ballylinney prior to 1890's. I was wondering is it possible that for inheritance reasons they might have used Cof I - and if so what Church(es) may they have used.
Thanks
Margaret
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aghadowey
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PRONI lists Ballylinney Presbyterian Church baptisms only from 1881 so it's possible that is the start of baptisms for that church.
www.presbyterianireland.org/about/records.html#b
No dates given for Kilbride.
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MaggieTag
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Hi Aghadowey,
Thanks for replying.
I was up at PRONI a couple of weeks ago. The baptisms for Ballylinney start at 1851 and marriages 1845, and for Kilbride Baptisms1848 and marriages 1849. I think that PRONI are maybe not as quick at up dating information pages since they put the e-catalogue on line!
Thanks also Kingskerswell.
I'm looking for baptisms of Thomas Gillespie c1862, William c1866 and James c1868 there was also another son Alexander, and I'm sure other children possibly daughters. Their parents were Thomas Gillespie and Elizabeth Unknown married c1860? Thomas' father was John Gillespie and his wife was Nancy - probably married c1835 and most likely untraceable. The names are so common around this part of the world that I'm unable to come with anything on the IGI pilot that won't cost a fortune to pursue.
Margaret
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kingskerswell
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Margaret,
Not much success. I found a Thomas Gillespie, father John, who married Eliza Arnold in Muckamore Presbyterian Church, Antrim District, Co. Antrim on 18 Aug 1851. I can find three daughters to this marriage between 1864 and 1870, the first of which was in Crumlin but no record of any sons.
Regards
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MaggieTag
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Thanks Kingkerswell,
I came up with Ms Arnold as well, but Crumlin seems a bit out of the way for my Gillespies. Do you think that it it would worthwhile looking at C of I records, and if so which one would be the local for Ballylinney? Any idea?
Margaret
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akanex2
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Local CoI:-
United Parish of Ballynure and Ballyeaston (Ballyclare)
Christ Church, Church Road, Ballynure
St John the Evangelist, Doagh Road, Ballyclare
Contact:-
Ballynure Rectory,
11 Church Road,
Ballynure,
Ballyclare,
Co Antrim,
BT 39 09UF
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MaggieTag
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John and Akanex2 - Many thanks for your advice.
Margaret
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TheWhuttle
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Margaret,
It is always a good idea to search the Established Church's records.
[Especially so if your family name is derived from "Mac Giolla Espuig" (Ir) or "Mac Gill' Easpuig" (Sc) ...
... "Son of the Follower of the Bishop"!
Ref: The Book of ULSTER SURNAMES, Robert Bell,
ISBN 0-85640-405-5 pp 77-78]
Also, especially so prior to 1845.
[Up till that date (Protestant) Dissenter marriages, which had been celebrated without an Established Churchman being present, were not considered legally valid. Children had no automatic right to inherit.]
Also Prior to 1800, CoI registers contain details of all "parishioners", namely every inhabitant of the parish (of whatever persuasion).
[Ref: Comment in "Draft Sectional List of Irish Parochial Registers", Society of Genealogists, London.]
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Within the CoI's organisation Ballylinney parish is conjoined (along with Ballymartin) to Carnmoney as "The Union of Carnmoney".
For confirmation see e.g. http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/c1.php .
Also ...
ORDNANCE SURVEY
MEMOIRS OF IRELAND
PARISHES OF COUNTY ANTRIM XII
1832~3, 1835~40
Ballynure and District
Vol. 32
ISBN 0-85389-552-X
Parish of Ballylinny pp 11-30
[N.B. There is no specific mention of any GILLESPIEs in those pages.]
p.26 "There is no clergyman in the parish. It pays tithes to the incumbent of Carnmoney."
So, you need to search the Carnmoney CoI for records involving residents of Ballylinney.
[Luckily, these are extant - and go well back in to the 18thC.]
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I see that GILLESPIEs were in Ballyearl, Ballylinny B, Bruslee & Kingsbog in 1864.
Ref: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/antrim/ballylinny.htm
Interestingly, Kingsbog (aka "Kingsmoss" aka "King's Moss") townland paid no taxes - cess or tithes.
[Apparently this is a hangover custom from the 16thC, when anyone taking fuel product (turbary) from the ancient bog there was required to deliver two cart loads per year to the garrison at Carrickfergus.]
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The Pb church at Ballylinney was opened in 1836 with a rousing address by The Rev. Dr. COOKE, Speaker of the Belfast Assembly.
[It was the first church to stand there for 300 years.
The (very) old one was destroyed during The Reformation.]
According to the OSMs ...
... prior to the establishment of the congregation
the people worshipped at
Ballyclare, Ballyeaston, Carnmoney and Templepatrick;
... the church yard contains tombstones dating back to 1751.
Wm. GILLESPIE of Ballyearl lies there.
He died on Sunday 16-JUL-1871.
[Ref. Belfast Newsletter, Mon Jul 17, 1871 Issue 55074 ]
The Rev. W. GILLESPIE ministered to 2nd Larne and Raloo.
[Ref: Belfast Newsletter, May 18, 1857
The Rev. C. MORRISON ministered to Ballynure & Ballylinny then.]
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From our own experience as trotters from the bog you should certainly also look at ...
... 1st Donegore Pb, early 19thC;
The Rev. Henry COOKE ministered there for a few years;
[Parkgate village was totally rebuilt by FERGUSON
during 1800-1830 - lot of activity, incomers (?) ...]
Sadly, the early Donegore CoI records were "lost" in 1922.
... Carnmoney Pb, late 19thC;
[William Fee McKINNEY used to pick young folks up
from King's Moss townland in his pony & cart
to take them up to Sunday School at Carnmoney.]
... Ballycraigy Cg
(In Carnmoney, just up the hill from King's Moss);
[Records are "missing".
Graveyard was covered by a car park recently,
but some progress has been made in identifying "occupants".]
Ballycraigy townland was bought by Francis TURNLY in the 1790s.
The village and Cg church were built during 1800-1810.
His family hailed from Co. Down originally.
[Newtonards, and Downpatrick before that.]
He may have brought trusted workers with him, who might then have spilled out in to the surrounding lands.
The Ulster GILLESPIEs originated from the Barony of Iveagh ...
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Beyond that you might get some value from a search of the Registry of Deeds in Dublin.
The overall landlords of the Manor of Ballylinney were the Earls of Belfast.
[Known as "The Marquesses of Donegall" or "The Donegalls" later.
CHICHESTER family, from near Barnstaple, Somerset Devon.]
They started getting in to severe debt in the late 18thC, being thrown in to gaol at one point!
By 1824 they were forced to sell off many of their lands as perpetual leases at low rents. Most of these went to the incumbent farmers, who had eagerly awaited the event.
However, three townlands (sorry, I'm not sure which ones) were bought by James GREGG, who then sub-let them again through other middle men.
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Hope that steers you in a useful direction.
Revving Jock
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MaggieTag
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Whuttle,
My apologies - I've just realise I haven't thanked you for you excellent advise.
Many thanks!
Margaret
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