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bedfordshire boy
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1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« on: Tuesday 27 October 09 18:58 UTC (UK) »

If anyone has access to the 1916 census I'd be very grateful for a look up for Edwin Cooper age 34 in Brandon District, Manitoba. Any details would be great, particularly if his wife Flora was with him (she was there in 1911).

He joined the Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force in Nov 1916, and there is a family story that his wife wasn't there when he came back from the war. I wonder if she wasn't there when he left for the war.

Many thanks in advance

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 October 09 19:15 UTC (UK) »

If he was the Edwin Cooper who arrived in Canada in 1911 he was a lodger in Whitehead  Brandon Manitoba in 1916 married but no sign of wife.
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 October 09 19:16 UTC (UK) »

David:  I don't have full access to the 1916 census, but I don't see a Flora Cooper, born within ten years of 1882, listed in Manitoba.  I also checked for: Cooper, born 1882 (+/-10 years) with spouse Edwin, in Brandon.  No results.

I'm sure someone will have access to see with whom Edwin was living in 1916.  (Or, where he was residing.)
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 October 09 19:22 UTC (UK) »

Thanks very much Liz and Lisa, it's what I suspected - that his wife had run off before he left for Europe. Interesting that he gave his immigration date as 1911 - in 1911 they gave it as 1910, which is possibly why I'm struggling to find him - Manoah Edwin Cooper - on a passenger list, although I've found Flora as Florence in 1910.

Thanks again

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 October 09 19:25 UTC (UK) »

If he was a lodger in 1916, someone may have given his information instead of him (and given it incorrectly).  Also, I have one ancestor who arrived in Canada in 1857 (I have proof), but he is listed on one census as arriving in 1867.  Mistakes can happen.  Roll Eyes  Wink
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 28 October 09 05:48 UTC (UK) »

You can order his full military records through
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca
You may find the information you are seeking in his files as there is a lot of information in the files. It could even have information on his death.
On his attestation papers he is listed as married but he has Charles Cooper as his next of kin.
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 28 October 09 14:44 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Valerie, I'd found his Attestation papers, but hadn't read closely enough to realise I could order his entire military history. Might just have to place an order.

I'd noticed that despite being married, he'd named his father, my g grandfather, as next of kin, which made me wonder if there was something adrift with his marriage. The fact that his wife wasn't with him in the 1916 census tends to confirm my suspicions.

He's a bit of a dead end for me, as he didn't have any children, but I met him on his last trip back to England in 1952 (I was VERY young at the time!) and I'd like to find out a bit more about him. Must speak to his remaining nieces about him, before it's too late.

Thanks again

David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 31 October 09 05:14 UTC (UK) »

Hi bedfordshire boy !  Grin
His death date is mentioned here, probably your site...but just in case
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nikkiburnell/f_3c.html#9

As noted...your best bet for more information is ordering the military files...
I didn't see a burial for him in the main city cem of Brandon...http://brandon.ca/main.nsf/pages+by+id/428

I'll post the other thread so that everyone knows they're both found on the passenger lists...
One reply says that he states his wife's name in a 1920's listing, doesn't it? Or do you think he was covering the situation...Mind you why would he bother with strangers? Not for us to know, I suppose...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,415581.0.html

 this site says death in Margaret Manitoba...
http://www.thetreeofus.net/3/76072.html
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 31 October 09 06:12 UTC (UK) »

Thanks very much JJ - all of the death dates on online trees come directly or indirectly from me, and I got it from correspondence my late father received from the administrator of Edwin's estate, which is now in my possession. I don't know where he was buried, but assume it was in Margaret, Manitoba, where he died, and these burial records don't seem to have been put online.

I couldn't follow the reference to his wife on passenger lists, as I couldn't find it, but I assume it must have been referring to the 1911 census.

I'll be ordering his military records as suggested

Thanks again

David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 31 October 09 19:35 UTC (UK) »


There is a 1925 entry for a Manoah Edwin COOPER on a Canadian Passenger List for the vessel Montrose.  It seems that he travelled back and forth a bit from Canada to UK as he also appears on the List for the vessel Melita in 1921.  It details his wife as being Flora COOPER Brandon Manitoba.

Karenlee

Perhaps someone can find that actual date again for you, as it could be either...
She may also have been in the city of Brandon & he in Whitehead, I suppose...
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 31 October 09 21:18 UTC (UK) »

Dates are:
Manoah Edwin Cooper, arriving 31 July 1925 Quebec, Montrose, Canadian Pacific
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/index-e.html
I don't think you can view the actual image.  Undecided

M Edwin Cooper, 1921 dates for Melita, arriving Saint John, New Brunswick:
21 February 1921
21 March 1921
19 April 1921
Images can be viewed.

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php

Hopefully, someone has access to the records, as there are a lot of images to go through!
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 31 October 09 21:23 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Lisa. I'd viewed the 1921 image (21 March) , but as the images only go up to 1922 I can't view the 1925 passenger list.

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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 31 October 09 21:28 UTC (UK) »

Hopefully someone will be able to take a look.  Smiley
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 31 October 09 22:18 UTC (UK) »

Hello again, David..
I MAY be able to find an obit if I look into local papers for the area...but it will happen next time I am downtown...Not a frequent visit I am afraid, and only if you think you need to see it...If he had no family, it might just be a simple death notice...so let me know, and I'll list it as a future lookup....J.J.

Hmmm...Did anyone find Flora herself on the 1916?
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Re: 1916 Manitoba census - Edwin COOPER
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 21:23 UTC (UK) »

Hello David,

I have not found your Edwin Cooper on the 1916 Census but I have made contact with a RM office in Manitoba and there is a article in a history book  written about the Riverside area in regards to Edwin Cooper and they will do a look up in the Margaret Cemetery for Edwin's gravesite.

Please send me a PM with your e mail address so I can send all info to you when I receive it.

Regards from Canada

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