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Topic: Almondbury/Kirkburton Look up around 1800 (Read 288 times)
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Caliandris
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My great grandmother, Lottie Dickins
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Hi there,
I am searching for details about my Spivey family, particularly Benjamin Spivey b around 1801.
Benjamin Spivey, born around 1800 was married to Sarah, possibly nee Smith, had three children called
William Smith Spivey, born 27 June 1830 at New Mill, Aldmondbury (bap All Hallows Almondbury)
Joseph Spivey b 30 April 1827
Lucy Spivey b 19 Jan 1825
Benjamin Spivey is shown as a manufacturer on his daughter's birth, clothier on Joseph's and Innkeeper on William's, but died young on 16 April 1834, aged 33.
His widow then married Jonathan Hoyle and went on to have other children. The children of her first marriage lived with her, but William Smith Spivey, my great-great grandfather moved to Carmarthen to take up a job there.
I once noted down that there was an Inn Keeper, Benjamin Spivey at the Shoulder of Mutton, which was in a directory of 1834, the year of his death.
If anyone can help place my Benjamin Spivey's birth or details of his death, I would be very grateful.
Thank you!
Fee
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Spivey, Hughes, Jones Carmarthen 19th c
Spivey, Armitage in Almondbury, Yorkshire 18th c
Dickins Staffordshire and Birmingham 18th and 19th c
Aldridge, Robey, Jearrad in London 18th and 19th
Pitt and Westlake Devon 17th and 18th c
Earwaker London and Hampshire 18th and 19th
Fitzpatrick in The Rower, Kilkenny, Ireland
Clarke, Hewitt, Starkey, Green in Cheshire 19th and 20th
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Holmemoss
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Hello Fee
On the IGI there is the birth of Benjamin Spivey on 27 Jan 1801 with his baptism at Almondbury on 8 Feb 1801. Parents William Spivey and Lucy Armitage.
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Caliandris
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Posts: 24
My great grandmother, Lottie Dickins
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Hi there,
Thank you for that... it's a definite possible, lol. Especially since the first daughter was called Lucy too. There are a number of William Spiveys around the Almondbury area about that time. I've been looking at the London Registers recently put up on Ancestry, and it is so striking, how much information one vicar will include, and how little the next will.
I can't believe that I actually visited Almondbury a few years ago, but at that time hadn't located William Smith Spivey's birth!
bws
Fee
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Spivey, Hughes, Jones Carmarthen 19th c
Spivey, Armitage in Almondbury, Yorkshire 18th c
Dickins Staffordshire and Birmingham 18th and 19th c
Aldridge, Robey, Jearrad in London 18th and 19th
Pitt and Westlake Devon 17th and 18th c
Earwaker London and Hampshire 18th and 19th
Fitzpatrick in The Rower, Kilkenny, Ireland
Clarke, Hewitt, Starkey, Green in Cheshire 19th and 20th
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Caliandris
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Posts: 24
My great grandmother, Lottie Dickins
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Wow!
Thank you SO much!
That's amazing... and such a help.
Bless you for that. I don't expect there's anything further back for William or Lucy? Should I buy the parish register records? I notice that here's an All Hallows Kirkburton and an All Hallows Almondbury and they don't seem to be the same church. Are these All Hallows Almondbury?
Thank you once again - marvellous :-).
bws
Fee
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Spivey, Hughes, Jones Carmarthen 19th c
Spivey, Armitage in Almondbury, Yorkshire 18th c
Dickins Staffordshire and Birmingham 18th and 19th c
Aldridge, Robey, Jearrad in London 18th and 19th
Pitt and Westlake Devon 17th and 18th c
Earwaker London and Hampshire 18th and 19th
Fitzpatrick in The Rower, Kilkenny, Ireland
Clarke, Hewitt, Starkey, Green in Cheshire 19th and 20th
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jillruss
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Gt Gt Grandfather Shepherd from Aberdeen 1827-1910
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You're very welcome.
They are 2 separate churches, and the ones I gave you were for All Hallows, Almondbury.
I couldn't find any siblings for Benjamin baptised in Almondbury - I looked up to 1812.
There's a burial for Lucy Spivey in Almondbury 27.1.1819 age 59 which would give a birthdate of approx 1760, so that might explain why there was only the one child as she would have been 40 when they married. That also brings up the possibility that one or both of them had been married before, so it's possible that Armitage wasn't Lucy's maiden name. Unfortunately, the marriage PRs don't always indicate if the parties are widowed or not.
However, I did find a baptism in Almondbury for a Lucy Armitage 25.4.1761 d/o George, a butcher of Lockwood (no mother's details given).
The most likely burial for a William Spivey is 25.4.1817 age 60, giving a birthdate of approx 1757. Unfortunately, there are 3 possible baptisms around this time:
4.11.1753 s/o Rachel, singlewoman & Thomas Hanson a soldier
15.8.1756 s/o James a clothier of Crosland, baptised at the Meltham Chapel of Ease
16.8.1756 s/o William a worstead weaver of Almondbury.
Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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Caliandris
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Posts: 24
My great grandmother, Lottie Dickins
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Thank you so much for this. I can see it is going to require careful investigation, as I have already found some other Lucy Armitages and William Spiveys... they seem to be popular names in the Almondbury and Lockwood areas.
Many many thanks for your help
Fee
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Spivey, Hughes, Jones Carmarthen 19th c
Spivey, Armitage in Almondbury, Yorkshire 18th c
Dickins Staffordshire and Birmingham 18th and 19th c
Aldridge, Robey, Jearrad in London 18th and 19th
Pitt and Westlake Devon 17th and 18th c
Earwaker London and Hampshire 18th and 19th
Fitzpatrick in The Rower, Kilkenny, Ireland
Clarke, Hewitt, Starkey, Green in Cheshire 19th and 20th
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Holmemoss
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The River Holme runs through the middle of Holmfirth; one side of the river is in the Parish of Kirkburton which has All Hallows as its Parish Church and the other side of the river is in the Parish of Almondbury which also has All Hallows as its Parish Church. As Jill said they are two totally separate churches.
I mention this as in your original post that William Smith Spivey was born in New Mill. Unless this is just a description relating to a 'new mill' the village of New Mill is actually on the Kirkburton side of the river.
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Caliandris
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My great grandmother, Lottie Dickins
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It's really odd... William Smith Spivey gave Kirkburton or New Mills as his birthplace, but the marriage of Sarah Smith and Benjamin Spivey which jillruss found is definitely right, and was at All Hallows Almondbury. Would that be very unusual? To live in Kirkburton/New Mill and yet go to the church at Amondbury?
bws
Fee
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Spivey, Hughes, Jones Carmarthen 19th c
Spivey, Armitage in Almondbury, Yorkshire 18th c
Dickins Staffordshire and Birmingham 18th and 19th c
Aldridge, Robey, Jearrad in London 18th and 19th
Pitt and Westlake Devon 17th and 18th c
Earwaker London and Hampshire 18th and 19th
Fitzpatrick in The Rower, Kilkenny, Ireland
Clarke, Hewitt, Starkey, Green in Cheshire 19th and 20th
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Sunlaws
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Fee
As Ben and Sarah Spivey had only fairly recently moved to New Mill in 1830 (son Joseph was christened in Almondbury in 1828), it is likely that they wanted William to be christened in the same church as their other children, and as Holmemoss pointed out, New Mill is only just the wrong side of the river Holme to be in Almondbury parish. They'd have a walk of about six miles.
A bit of extra info about the marriage of Ben's father William to his mother Lucy Armitage: William was able to sign his name (he wrote it Wm. Spivey), but Lucy made her mark. The witnesses were Samuel Buckley and Edmund Norcliff.
I agree with jillruss that the likeliest baptism for William is that on 16.8.1756, son of William, a worstead (sic) weaver of Almondbury. Siblings are Sarah chr 7.5.1753 (when William is described as a 'serge weaver'), Martha 29.4.1749 (worstead weaver),and John 17.4.1747 (serge weaver).
There is a very suitable marriage of a William Spivey, sergeweaver, to Mary Kaye 18.9.1746. (All these events at All Hallows, Almondbury)
Regards,
Lesley
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Brick wall: Maria Blaymires c 1800 Northowram
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Caliandris
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My great grandmother, Lottie Dickins
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Thank you very much for your help. I'm a bit surprised that everyone thinks the births in 1757 look likely... I would usually go back 20-30 years from a marriage to look for a birth for an ancestor - it's quite rare to go further than 30 in my experience where there are children of the marriage.
I have made notes of all the William Spiveys and Lucy Armitages that I have come across in the area, and there is a Lucy Armitage 1779, daughter of Anthony Armitage of Lockwood, at Aldmonbury All Hallows.
There are a couple of William Spiveys... one son of John Spivey, Clothier at All Hallows, 25 Dec 1771, and one on 16 Jan 1770, father Edward Spivey, clothier, at Almondbury All Hallows.
I'm not sure how you track down the "right" ancestor in a situation where there are three or four possibilities... but with at least four Lucy Armitages and at least the same number of William Spiveys (and all of them seem to be clothiers), I don't know that I can assume that the burials are "my" Spiveys, and I'd be inclined to keep the 1770 Lucy and Williams in the picture until excluded.
You may be right that trying to piece together brothers and sisters could be the way to go... trying to see if there are any family names or... well I am not sure what else.
Thank you so much for continuing to help me... I had been stuck in this line for quite some time, it's exciting to be making progress again.
Thank you :-)
Fee
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Spivey, Hughes, Jones Carmarthen 19th c
Spivey, Armitage in Almondbury, Yorkshire 18th c
Dickins Staffordshire and Birmingham 18th and 19th c
Aldridge, Robey, Jearrad in London 18th and 19th
Pitt and Westlake Devon 17th and 18th c
Earwaker London and Hampshire 18th and 19th
Fitzpatrick in The Rower, Kilkenny, Ireland
Clarke, Hewitt, Starkey, Green in Cheshire 19th and 20th
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Holmemoss
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Hello Fee
I am originally from Holmfirth. New Mill is only 2 miles from Holmfirth so I agree entirely with Lesley in that they wished for William to be baptised in their 'home' church at Almondbury.
I am not too sure what is copyright and what is not so I shall sent you a PM with a modern map of the area so you can see how close they actually are. The major roads haven't changed much; just more houses!
I know Kirkburton Parish had a chapel in Holmfirth for baptisms but I am not sure whether 'the other side of the river' also had a chapel for Almondbury Parish.
As for walking, perhaps a horse and cart depending on their situation!
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