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newresearcher-71
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im new and trying to find our family tree n more info but seems like noone can find him his name is George Ham he died 16 August 1830 either windsor or campbelltown so we are lead to believe he has 4 children and was married to ann epton but they parted ways if someone could help me with a death cert look up i was trying to see if he had any siblings but cant find anything on him before he come out from england as he was a convict and transported here in 1800 on the royal admiral for highway robbery please if anyone can help me find his death and maybe his parentas or siblings would be very appreciated
cheers jen
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jellybeans
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Hi Jen,
Have you tried googling George Ham Convict? This will bring up a few sites to look at. Also, the link below mentions George.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~gstanden/ham.html
You may already have this info, I'm not sure.
Regards, Julie
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Lancashire, England: Barlow, Butterworth, Clegg, Lord, Howarth, Morris, Peak, Pickup, Walker, Wilkinson.
Ayrshire Scotland: Dyet.
Cornwall England: Cock.
Wexford Ireland: Murphy.
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carol8353
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My two gorgeous grandsons
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Hi there and welcome to Rootschat.
The New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia Convict Musters, 1806-1849 shows him as travelling out in 1800 on the Royal Admiral with his yoiung family.
Kids James age 12 and Henry age not obvious.It also lists an Ann Ham age 16 but puts her as wife of P Douglas? Not sure what means?
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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carol8353
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Also the Australian Convict Index, 1788-1868 lists him as being 28 in 1800 when he was transported and he was sent to NSW.
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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Just Moi
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Bit More,
I cannot find him as George Ham on the 1828 NSW Census....
But, I will try to help....
JM
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newresearcher-71
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thanks all i have this info i guess this will be a tough on to crack i also know after him and ann epton seperated 2 her kids went with her to jerry plains but george was with another women in baulkham hills sydney elizabeth leith but thats all there is i guess its just not going to be able to get more on him  which makes it hard thankyou all
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tropicalj
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Hello there and a big welcome to Rootschat, I hope we can help you further
A search of the SRO ( State Records Office of NSW) shows he received a pardon on the 31 Jan 1814
You can obtain a copy of this for around $25.00
If you live in the Sydney area you can view them at the records office.
This link will help explain what you could find on the records
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-convict-records/index-to-convict-pardons/index-to-convict-pardons
Jenn
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When you search for ancestors, you find great friends! I live in Townsville, Australia researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,, SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire, HAIR, Durham, CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire, EDSALL, Cornwall, MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER, Ireland. In Australia Hennessy, Hair, Bayley, Townsend, Shoebridge, Edsall, Adamson, All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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tropicalj
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http://home.iprimus.com.au/lturtle/nsw_state_archives.htm
You can also use a transcription agent for around $16.00 not a great deal of saving but it does all help.
Jenn
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When you search for ancestors, you find great friends! I live in Townsville, Australia researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,, SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire, HAIR, Durham, CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire, EDSALL, Cornwall, MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER, Ireland. In Australia Hennessy, Hair, Bayley, Townsend, Shoebridge, Edsall, Adamson, All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Just Moi
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Bit More
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del
There's mention of a George Ham, caught in a severe storm in Dec 1804 -
That's from the Sydney Gazette of 16 December 1804....
Cheers, still searching 
JM
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Just Moi
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Umm, bit More,
1822 NSW General Muster
Ham, George on a Conditional Pardon ex R. Admiral was a labourer at Parramatta... His 15 year old son, Ham, Henry, born in the colony was with him.... but I could not find any other family members with these two....
JM
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judb
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I see these people on convict musters as shown
1806 muster
Geo Ham, arrived R Adm, employed by D D Mann, Condition P, Indented.
1811 gives his name, ship and Old Bailey as place of conviction
1822 muster:
George Ham CP Sentence life, labourer Parra...(rest of the word is faded but Parramatta seems the most likely)
Henry Ham, 15, Born the Colony, Son of George Ham, Parra....
(CP seems to mean he has been pardoned)
1825 Convict muster all at Richmond,
The following two are listed as having arrived on the Guildford in 1816 but the way it is written it could be a mistake in the transcription where the word 'ditto' is used under the people listed before them.
James Ham, 12, son of G Ham, Richmond
Ann Ham, 16, wife of P Douglas, Richmond
These two are listed having travelled on the Lord Admiral 1800
George Ham, labourer, Richmond
Henry Ham, s/o G Ham, Richmond
So, no mention of a wife, Some questions as to the age of Henry and whether he was born in the Colony. Ann and James are puzzling also.
Anyhow that's what I saw on Ancestry from photos of the pages of the musters.
Judith
I cannot see him on the Proceedings of the Odl Bailey either
Edit - now I do see him but he did not come up for me in their index
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DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset
MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts
SONE - Hants
WRIGHT - London, Hants
SEAGER - Deptford
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Just Moi
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Hi there and welcome to Rootschat. The New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia Convict Musters, 1806-1849 shows him as travelling out in 1800 on the Royal Admiral with his yoiung family. Kids James age 12 and Henry age not obvious.It also lists an Ann Ham age 16 but puts her as wife of P Douglas? Not sure what means? Carol
Hi There,
I think this would be from the 1825 Muster, and all these are at Richmond (NSW), where it shows James Ham 12, B C, ie "Born in the Colony"  and Ann Ham 16, (B C) wife of P Douglas; George Ham, ex Royal Admiral of 1800, on a C P (Conditional Pardon ), and Henry Ham, BC, ....
I recollect that many women in those times in penal NSW were known by their own surname rather than the surname of their husband... Still stearchin
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judb
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The 1828 NSW census shows
Francis Ham, 13, stockkeeper, Durham Hill
Henry Ham, 21, Black Creek (no occupatin shown)
James Ham, 16, Durham Hill, (no occ)
All protestant , all born in colony.
Judith
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DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset
MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts
SONE - Hants
WRIGHT - London, Hants
SEAGER - Deptford
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Just Moi
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Bit More,
1825, at Richmond NSW, General Muster
There's a 20 year old named Philip DOUGLASS a labourer, born in the colony.... also there's a 23 year old named Thomas DOUGLASS, a labourer, born in the colony....
The Philip Douglass could be the husband of Ann Ham aged 16 in 1825 .... I stress, "could be", but it is possible.... and you would need a copy of the marriage certificate to help sort it out.... There's just ONE marriage - althrough two records on NSW BDM for Ann HAM's marriage a P Douglas.... and its in 1825 to a Philip DOUGLASS ... at Richmond NSW...
Cheers, JM
PS I CANNOT FIND GEORGE'S DEATH INDEXED FOR 1830 .....
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Just Moi
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Bit More,
Ann and Philip Douglas(s) registered the birth of a child, James in 1827... (NSW BDM references : V1827392 11 and V18277969 1C and V182736 157) ....
IF Ann was (as seems likely) the daughter of George HAM ex Royal Admiral, then this baby may be his first grandchild....
Still looking
JM
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