mshrmh
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In 1881 I have found this family at 64 Drury Lane, Chadderton Lancashire:
Thomas BAILEY Head Married M 25 Coal Miner Biddulph Staffordshire
Nancey BAILEY Wife Married F 29 Coal Miners Wife Preston Lancashire
Rachel CROSS Daughter Single F 13 Preston Lancashire
John Henry CROSS Son Single M 10 Preston Lancashire
William BAILEY Son Single M 4 Pemberton Lancashire
Thomas BAILEY Son Single M 1 Wombwell Yorkshire
RG11 4088 47 38
In 1891 I found at 36 Drury Lane, Chadderton
Nancy BAILEY Head Married F 39 Preston Lancashire
Rachel BAILEY Daughter Single F 22 Cotton weaver Preston Lancashire
John Henry BAILEY Son Single M 20 Joiner Preston Lancashire
William BAILEY Son Single M 14 Machine maker fitter Pemberton Lancashire
Thomas BAILEY Son Single M 11 Scholar Wombwell Yorkshire
Eliz M BAILEY Daughter Single F 8 Scholar Chadderton Lancashire
Beatrice L BAILEY Daughter Single F 3 Chadderton Lancashire
Nancy was married to Matthew Cross in 1867 (FreeBMD has her as Nancy Hayes Ashworth - LancashireBMD shows all variations on the name combinations) who died in the Pemberton sub-district of Wigan in 1874. I have not found a marriage for her to Thomas Bailey. I have Thomas with his parents (James & Jane) in 1861 & 1871 - he's aged 3 months in 1861 & 14 in 1871 so age is "flexible". The two daughters are registered as Elizabeth Margaret (mmn Eyes) 1882 and Beatrice Lily (mmn Hayes) 1887 in Chadderton on LancsBMD
Can anyone find:
Marriage for Nancy & Thomas
1891 Census for Thomas
1901 Census for the family. (There is a 48 year old Thomas Bailey as a lodger in Leigh with the Gaskells, born Biddulph, but this seems to stretch the age too far).
Thanks
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lizdb
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Was Thomas really a Uriah?
Marriage
Jul/Aug/Sep 1875
Wigan 8c 49
Nancy Cross
one of grooms on same page - Uriah Bailey
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mshrmh
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Hi lizdb - I'd seen that too & wondered if it was more than coincidence. As far as I can tell from earlier census Thomas was Thomas when with his parents - I've not tried to get a birth certificate as this is a sideways branch of my tree & there are rather too many Thomas Bailey/Bayley registered around that time in the area. I've checked on LancashireBMD & the marriage was at St John's Pemberton, so the area ties in, but there are no "alternative names" indicated as there normally are when a widow re-marries etc. I've checked LancsOPC & the marriage register transcriptions end at 1859 
I'll add it to my lists of entries to check when I get to a RO/Library that has access.
Thanks for looking!
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lizdb
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There is a birth
Jan/Feb/Mar 1857
Wolstanton Staffs 6b 86
Uriel Bailey
could this be him?
(I am sure if it was me I would prefer to be known as Thomas!)
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lizdb
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Hmm Uriah is with parents William and Sarah, and siblings in 1861
RG9 1924 51 51
Born Goldenhill, living Oldcross
I dont know the area to know if that is anything like the Biddulph Thoams states in 1881
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lizdb
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Not looking hopeful
1891 Uriel is still with parents Am and Sarah, still Temperence lane Oldcross, still bn Goldenhill.
He is now an 'apprentice grocer' (I didnt know you could do apprenticeships in grocering) and has a younger brother Jehoshophat, so suddenly he probably think Uriel isnt so bad after all.
But it doesnt look as if Uriel/Uriah is the same chappie as Thomas.
I'll try and get uriel in 1881 after the marriage, that will rule him out I guess if I can.
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lizdb
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1881
RG11 2708 68 7
Our Uriel is still Temperence Place Oldcross, now a grocer, with wife Mary Ann and dtr Sarah ...
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mshrmh
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Lizdb - many thanks for your efforts, but I think this is red herring, sadly. At that time Biddulph, though Staffs was part of the Congleton (Cheshire) registration district
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/congleton.html
so Goldenhill (under Wolstanton reg. district) though not far away isn't likely.
I think this lot may just remain one of those mysteries - at least they're not a direct line.
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lizdb
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All is not lost!!!!
OK, this Uriel guy is not your Thomas, but also he is NOT the Uriah who married in Wigan in 1875! So that MArriage CAN still be your Thomas!
Uriel marries JAn/Feb/Mar 1879 Wolstanton (might have known, he didnt go far did he?) to MAry Ann Wilshaw.
So all this hasnt proved or disproved anything .... Uriah marrying 1875 could still be Thomas!
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lizdb
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Now for a bit of evidence that this MIGHT be the right marriage
RG10 4149 190 21
Habergham Eaves
Matthew Cross 42
Elizabveth 44
Nancy 20
John 15
Mary A 12
Mathew 10
Thomas 7
Leonard 1 all bn Preston
this ties up with Nancy Bailey's info no 1881 ...... what do you think?
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mshrmh
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Lizdb - I found Nancy & Matthew together with John Henry & Rachel in 1871 at Carroll Street Preston, RG10 4213 59 5 so I'm pretty convinced this is the Nancy who later appears as Nancy Bailey in 1881 - marriage to Matthew Cross Sept 1867 Preston 8e 761; Preston St Luke from LancashireBMD. That marriage is on the LancsOPC site as
29 Sep 1867 Matthew Cross - (X), 19 Piecer Bachelor of 2 Carrol Street and Nancy Hayes Ashworth - 18 Weaver Spinster of 5 Swarbrick Street; Fathers' names: Mark Cross, Weaver and John Hayes Ashworth, Huckster
Rachel's baptism is also on there with the matching parents.
Many thanks again
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lizdb
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Ok
so there is only one more line to take - probably should have concuded this earlier, but one likes to pursue all avenues!
Personally I would buy that marriage cert for Nancy Cross and Uriah. If her dad is Mr Ashworth and she is a widow then Bingo! if not, then at least you can rule that marriage out.......
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mshrmh
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Thanks lizdb for all your efforts - I have added the Uriah marriage to my list of entries to look at when I get to the library/RO - it is a "twig" so it can wait until then.
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