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dalek39
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Re: hankins
« Reply #30 on: Monday 02 November 09 20:52 UTC (UK) » |
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Yes..I know all that...I dont go to the ASWD thread...when I "log onto" Rootschat, and I go to the Hankins site..scroll down, there are two Hankins..one with 12 next to it...they are the ones I mention...The one I usually go to is the 12 one... I am getting good help there...I understand that the Dalyrymple side is not my family line...getting through the Hankins side is enough of a challenge.. You m'dear have a bigger challenge getting through both families.....its a wonder you sleep at night, poor thing..anyway...keep on keeping on I say....
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Glamis
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Re: hankins
« Reply #31 on: Monday 02 November 09 21:05 UTC (UK) » |
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I don't know the other thread you mention though. I am not meaning to 'dis' people but I am very confused as to what you refer. Is this other Hankins site on the Hereford link or another?
As for ASWD- I really feel sorry for her, she was very much in her husband's shadow. He was a well respected member of NZ community and now part of NZ heritage. No one really knew her past connections. She was very much doing the dutyful wife bit except at some point it does seem she got bored....
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dalek39
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Re: hankins
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 01:21 UTC (UK) » |
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Can someone tell me where Sugwas is...I have information its where William Bartholomew Hankins was born...I am trying to piece together the different birth places of this side of the family, so that I may be able to work out where Richard and Anne (parents) came from... There are several places around, such as Dymock..Dormington..Ledbury..but, not knowing the area..its tricky to make the wrong assumption...
I also have info on some deaths I have found A John Hankins, (not the Bartestree one) Hereford city Cemetry ..H12/H.396..apparently married Emily E..? Hankins...She is buried in the same plot.
Richard Hankins..Hereford St.Nicholas..HSN/(045) Monkland.
another Richard Hankins at Monkland..MNK/069..
and..a William Hankins..at Munsley MUN/091.Mary Catherine is in the same plot....
Not sure if these are my line, but the names of Mary Catherine ring bells.
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Chilis
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Re: hankins
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 02:42 UTC (UK) » |
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Dalek39
First of all, Sugwas is Stretton Sugwas by Hereford.
I have gathered rather a lot of info on your HANKINS which I'm in the process of collating. Hopefully, it is tying together all the associated places and John, Richard and William.
I have a marriage on May 30, 1793 at Donnington of a John HANKINS batchelor of Donnington to Sarah ANDREWS spinster of Lugwardine and subsequent baptisms in Dymock - Richard (16 Mar 1794), John (26 Oct 1795), Elizabeth (22 Sept 1797) and Edward (6 May 1799)
Incidentally, the marriage was witnessed by Hester SAUNDERS and William HANKINS.
The interesting thing there was that Sarah ANDREWS hailed from Lugwardine.
Anyway, it will take me a while to get the bits together, but will do my best. I might try to send a personal message so that I can send stuff more directly as attachments.
Chilis
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dalek39
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Re: hankins
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 06:23 UTC (UK) » |
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Chillis...you wont believe this...I just sat down to message you, and..there you are.....I have found Hagley Hall..Lugwardine.....I wondered why John Hankins would put Hagley Hall on the 1861 census if he lived somewhere else...Its a Privite House..and I have the owners names..AFTER John Hankins went to NZ.... What sort of house it is, maybe a little thatched cottage, but I imagine it would have been very nice....and..thank you for your recent information..thats wonderful..I had my thoughts on that...and the "William" confirmed it.....but...we have to make sure I know that.....
The reference on Hagley Hall is in the Hereford Directory and Gazette of Herefordshire. 1876-7...
I have a map of Hereford and surrounding areas..so ..I think they did not go too far from home.....
Anyway...thanks..I appreciate your assistance......
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Chilis
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Re: hankins
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 20:08 UTC (UK) » |
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Evening Dalek39
Where do I start? You know that Herefordshire has the highest number of those with the surname HANKIN/HANKINS in the whole of the United Kingdom. There are dozens of them and all with Richard, William and John for forenames.
Now, I have been looking to work backwards from the point where you stated your known relatives were John HANKINS and Hannah Maria. Is that an ABSOLUTE FACT, as we can start from that point for certain?
If, as you state, they married in 1845 at All Saints, then let's look at them in the 1851 census. We have them in Commercial Road, Hereford, with John apparently an Innkeeper. Hannah, as has already been pointed out, calls herself 'Maria'. Not only have they got the four children (first two born Swindon, Glos. and the other two All Saints, but they have John's brother William (married ? and a 'retired farmer' ? at the age of 32, born Lugwardine. NB: looks like 'Sugwas' on the census, but you can see the 'dine' underneath.
OK. So, let's look at the 1841 census, before John's marriage. He is in Bartestree - Bartestree Court actually - and he is listed as 'Independent'.
His brother William is with him, also Independent and their father Richard, aged about 65, Farmer and also stated to be 'born within the county of Herefordshire'.
I'll carry on a separate posting, as the page jumps up and down. There's probably a simple answer to this, but it'll do for now.
Chilis
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KirstyG
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Re: hankins
« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 21:03 UTC (UK) » |
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I had wondered where the reference to Hagley Hall came from. Then I found it:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TS18800603.2.7&e=-------10--1----0-all
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Chilis
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Re: hankins
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 21:03 UTC (UK) » |
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Dalek39
We now come to 1861 in Lugwardine, the Hagley Hall bit. John is a Commercial Traveller in Wine & Spirits. That follows, since he was an Innkeeper last time round. He clearly states he was born in Bartestree, so we were right with the 1841 census return. Definitely his father was Richard, the farmer.
I would imagine that John and Hannah were renting Hagley Hall, something that was particularly common in those days and I presume they are relatively alright for finances. Alternatively, there is probably a connection through Hannah Maria and the Herberts which can be looked at. It should be possible to ascertain that later.
In the meantime, John's brother William has left Herefordshire and is in Towcester, Northants where he's lodging at an Inn in the High Street on the night of the census, but his work is as a 'Relieving Officer', so he probably moved about. He's unmarried, which was probably the case in the 1851 census, but difficult to read.
You have said that John and Hannah Maria left Herefordshire for NZ, so I'll carry on checking on father, Richard HANKINS and brother William, as well as sifting through everything else.
It may be that all this should be done through personal messages or outside of the forum, but no doubt someone will point this out if so.
Chilis
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Glamis
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Re: hankins
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 21:04 UTC (UK) » |
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OK so we're dealing with the 'smiths' and 'browns' of Herefordshire.(no offense meant to Smiths and Browns- just the fact that these surnames are amongst the most difficult to look out in terms of genealogy because of the frequency of them) Chillis , you are so clever sorting this lot out. I am J H Hankins' (Lawyer NZ) Great Grand daughter through ASWD. I watch with interest as Dalek39 posted and I never knew until then as my Mother didn't that he was one of 10 children. Thank you.
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dalek39
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Re: hankins
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 23:33 UTC (UK) » |
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Thank you Glamis for that...whether they stayed there or rented I dont know, I just found my info on the Hereford Gazette Website, but no mention of their names either, but it was 1876..long after John Hankins left for NZ...I was just interested in whether he lived there or not, and where it was...
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KirstyG
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Re: hankins
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 00:25 UTC (UK) » |
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That list seems to be of the inhabitants of Longworth Hall - not Hagley Hall. It only mentions Arthur Hutchinson esq. as living at Hagley Hall, although in the 1876 Littlebury directory he is listed as living at Hagley Park. Perhaps the property at Hagley Park was also known as Hagley Hall?
There are however Herberts living at Longworth House in the 1851 census on that website. No way to know if they are related to Hannah Maria yet though.
edit: I now see you already have this information on the "other" Hankins thread that you started.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,416270.0.html
Chilis mentioned establishing John and Hannah Maria as definitely being your relatives as a starting point for working backwards. To that end I have found the family on the passenger list for the Canterbury in Lyttelton January 1864 arriving in New Zealand. Can you confirm that this is correct?
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/Canterbury1864.htm
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dalek39
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Re: hankins
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 00:44 UTC (UK) » |
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Yes Kirsty G...that is correct... I have the printout with their names and children...John was 41..Maria 36. Ship Canterbury left London 21 Sept. 1863..arrived Lyttelton.. Jan 10th 1864. His occupation was Veterinary Surgeon...All 10 children were with them......
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dalek39
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Re: hankins
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 00:48 UTC (UK) » |
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I just looked at the site you gave me, and my source was a different one..but it confirms what I said.....thanks for that....
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