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Donald Steel/e family
« on: Wednesday 28 October 09 23:12 UTC (UK) »

I am trying to track the Donald Steel/e family.  The information I have is the last Canada census of 1871 from Walkerton Ontario Canada.  Donald and Mary or Annie had seven children (Margaret, Alexander, Philip, Archibald, Matthew, Allen and Donald.  There are two more children ( John N.) my grandfather and Rose.  I found Alexander in Pennsylvania and John in Massachusetts. I am trying to find the other children and father and mother and their ancesters.  Donald was born in Scotland and Mary or Anne Geecen ( I think) was born in Ireland.  When I pulled up the marriage record from my grandfather it says his father was Daniel Steele and his mother is Mary Geecen.  I need help because I have no family I can turn to for help.  Any help would be appreciated.  If you can give me the appropriate web site/s I can go to it would be appreciated.

Thank you

Lew Steele
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nickgc
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Re: Donald Steel/e family
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 October 09 01:14 UTC (UK) »

Welcome to RC, Lew.

The appropriate websites aren't so important as the process.   You say you have them on 1871 census for Ontario, and a couple of them on unspecified US censuses.  That means you should have approximate birth years for each of them, which is important.

My first step would be to try to find the family, or individuals, on 1881 Canada or 1880 US census, both widely available.

If you want our help in searching, list individuals and ages you found in 1871.

If Donald was born in Scotland you might be able to find his family there via scotlandspeople (pay to play).

Nick

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Re: Donald Steel/e family
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 29 October 09 02:40 UTC (UK) »

Yes I could use your help.  The children's name and age as of 1871 are as follows:
                         
                                 Margaret Steel/e          born  1857
                                 Alexander H Steel/e     born  1859
                                 Philip  Steel/e               born  1862
                                 Archibald  Steel/e         born  1864
                                 Matthew  Steel/e          born  1866
                                 Allen  Steel/e                born  1868
                                 Donald  Steel/e            born  1871
                                 John N.  Steel/e           born   1873 or 1874
                                 Rose    Steel/e             born   have no date

Father  Donald  Steel/e   born  1834 or 1835  in Glasgow, Scotland
Mother  Mary/Anne Geecen or Geeson   born  have no date  in Dublin, Ireland
They were married in Walkerton, Ontatio, Canada  on date 1854


Thank you

Lew Steele
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Re: Donald Steel/e family
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 29 October 09 17:03 UTC (UK) »

i Have looked on SP. there is no Donald Steel/e born 1833 - 1836 in Glasgow or lanark listed.

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Re: Donald Steel/e family
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 29 October 09 18:39 UTC (UK) »

There was one Donald Steel showing as a submitted entry on IGI born in Glasgow, born c. 1837, but following through on censuses and then a small tree on Ancestry he looks to have ended up in Australia with a number of his brothers. As you say Diddy, can't see any other on records. It may be that his family left for Canada after his birth and before the 1841 census perhaps.

Monica

Added: One difficulty I can see looking at the family's 1871 entry is that Donald and family show as Roman Catholic. Will be hard to find details on Donald back in Scotland through standard sources which cover only the established Church of Scotland records (ie Presbyterian) pre 1855 and the start of official registration in Scotland from 1855. However, the pay to view site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk have just begun to release some RC records on line for births/baptisms and would be worthwhile checking.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
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Re: Donald Steel/e family
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 29 October 09 19:48 UTC (UK) »

Hi, I have Steele in my nans side of the family tree. James was in Musselburgh and married Helen slight in Inveresk/Edinburgh before moving with some of his children to the Lanarkshire area and Ayrshire. Correct me if I am wrong but it is only a stones throw away.

There was a guy who came from that area who moved to Canada called Jack Steele married to a Mary Mays, So close to my research of both families.  But on checking it was no relation. 
What about the trying to find the name of the ship they travelled on and the date they emigrated and from where exactly.  Or take a look at the Ayrshire county closest to Glasgow, perhaps they'll show up there.
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Scotland.
Lanark/Argyll/Renfrew/Ayr:Smith, Steele,Kirkwood,Hamilton,May,orO'may
Edinburgh/Aberdeen: Laidlaw,Brown,Dean/Barron/Charles/Hall/Slight/Johnston
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Re: Donald Steel/e family
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 29 October 09 20:04 UTC (UK) »

Hi
This is Lewis Steele.  When I look at the Massachusetrts Vital Records for 1841 to 1910 for the marriage of my grandfather John N. Steele and Catherine Weber,  the record shows that the father is Daniel Steele and the mother is Anne Geason.

I have so many ways to spell their names that I do not know which is correct.

Is there any connection in Scotland for Daniel Steel/e??

Thank you

Lewis Steele
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Re: Donald Steel/e family
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 29 October 09 20:27 UTC (UK) »

Lew,

In an earlier post you say you find "Alexander in Pennsylvania" and "John in Massachusetts".  What years of the censuses are these 2 found?

I have tried to find any of these individuals post-1871 in Canada and US without success.  In some cases there are just too many to consider without additional information.  Did find a possible "Mathew" which I will post if relevant.

The ones I have looked at in US state emigration from Canada between 1882 and 1886, but then can't be found in Canada in 1881.  Very confusing.

Nick
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Re: Donald Steel/e family
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 29 October 09 20:32 UTC (UK) »

I have checked the RC entries on Scotlands People for a birth/baptims for a Daniel or Donald (both names are interchangeable in Scotland) and cannot see anything for him. These records have just been released on SP and more records are still to be added (due to be concluded by the end of the year) so worth checking again.

I cannot see him in the early censuses in Scotland, so, as mentioned, he may have left with family before the 1841 census.

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: Donald Steel/e family
« Reply #9 on: Friday 30 October 09 02:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi Nickgc

I found Alexander Hamilton Steel in the 1900 Census of the United States in the state of Pennsylvania and the county of Washington.  Alexander is married with 3 children(Donald, Chas & Bessie)

I found John N. Steele shows up in the 1900 Census of the United States in the state of Massachusetts and the county of suffolk.  John immegrated to the US from Canada in 1886.  John was 13 yrs old when he came to the United States.

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Re: Donald Steel/e family
« Reply #10 on: Friday 30 October 09 05:34 UTC (UK) »

Alexander is in same place in Penn in 1910 at 617 Chartiers Ave, this time surname spelled Steele.  Married 25 yrs; 4 kids 3 living all b Penn.  Wife Georgiana b Penn as were her parents.  Dau Bessie appears now as Jessie.  1920 Alexander Steele appears to be on Jefferson Ave (but still 617 - name change?); wife Georgia and son Charles, 31 still at home.  Alex says immigrated 1882.
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The only John STEEL I found of right age, b Oct 1874  (spelled that way in 1900 Mass.) says he entered US in 1888.  The only JOHN N I find specifically that fits bill is 47 in 1920.  Living w/ family on Quincy St. in Boston.  In 1910 Boston he is indexed as "John W. Steele".  Second wife is Catherine, and son Howard is 7.  Is this your man?  You should be able to find 2d marriage, birth of son, and possibly 1st marriage and death of wife in Mass records.

The Mathew Steel I found that fits is in Superior, Douglas, Wisconsin
in 1900.  B Canada Feb 1867 (33); single house painter who entered US 1886.

This is a frustrating family to get a handle on.  I don't think I can spend any more time on them.  I presume that you have dug thru all the Canadian censuses available at various places.

Nick
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Re: Donald Steel/e family
« Reply #11 on: Friday 30 October 09 15:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi Nick:

Thank you for all the work you did on (as you said a frustrating family)  I agree with you.  To bad we were not a simple family.  I do not think that the census taking through the years helped us when they spelled my ancestors name.

Thank again to everyone that helped trace the Steel/e name for me.


Lewis F. Steele
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Re: Donald Steel/e family
« Reply #12 on: Friday 13 November 09 23:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lew,
I think we have spoken before.  But when doing my research on the Steele family I am sure that I have seen this family in Scotland around ayr,Lanark & Glasgow  The names are so familiar, they were on Scotlandspeople
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Scotland.
Lanark/Argyll/Renfrew/Ayr:Smith, Steele,Kirkwood,Hamilton,May,orO'may
Edinburgh/Aberdeen: Laidlaw,Brown,Dean/Barron/Charles/Hall/Slight/Johnston
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