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veerzzi
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Hi, I'm trying to trace the ancestors of Dorothy Robinson who married George Gray at Saint Hilda's South Shields on June 29th 1859. Her father was given as William Robinson a blacksmith and in future census documents she would give her place of birth as Shiney Row Penshaw around 1837, not that I can find a baptism for her in the Penshaw records...
I'm trying to trace her and her family on the 1841 and 1851 census and am having difficulties. I think I have them in 1841, they're in East Hetton Kelloe which is quite a way but unusually I have family members from a completely different line making the same Shiney Row to Kelloe migration at the same time, this would give me: William Robinson: Blacksmith aged 50, his wife Mary aged 40 and children: George (14), James (14), Mary (11), Dorothy (6), Joseph (4) and Thomas (17 months).
They then vanish or I'm too rubbish to find them. I suspect Dorothy is the servant in Shadforth but her parents disappear and bizaarely in Kelloe in 1851 there is a family headed by a William and Mary with different ages: William aged 32 coal miner, Mary aged 35 then children in order: Mary Ann (10), Elizabeth (6), John (5), Emma (3) and Frances (months) and then written is small writing underneath these two to a box: George (23) coal miner, Joseph (15) and Thomas (12) these seem to be the tailenders from the above 1841 and yet they are all marked as 'sons' of William despite him being incapable of fathering George at age 9, very strange.
I'd really appreciate any help with this as I'm well and truly stuck, thank you if you've taken the trouble to read this overload of info.
Dan 
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Durham: Hall, Wilkinson, Watson, Gray, Wood, Cummings, Wheldon, Robinson, Cowley, Perkins, Burnside, Corby.
Northumberland: Wood, Hall, Wilkinson.
Gloucestershire: Smith, Jones, Wheeler.
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veerzzi
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That's what I thought, I'm guessing William died then. I tried chasing the Forster link to no avail. This has been my most difficult line to track with the exception of the person Dorothy married whose father was a master mariner and seemed to hide from the census people.
Dan
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Durham: Hall, Wilkinson, Watson, Gray, Wood, Cummings, Wheldon, Robinson, Cowley, Perkins, Burnside, Corby.
Northumberland: Wood, Hall, Wilkinson.
Gloucestershire: Smith, Jones, Wheeler.
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2zpool
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She is not Dorothy Robinson born 5 Dec 1834, baptised 29 May 1836, daur of William Robinson and Mary Crooks, Shiney Row, Blacksmith?
I didn't look in the BT's as I have a copy of the parish record on film.
There is a George Robinson baptised Houghton le Spring 9 Sept 1827 s/o William a blacksmith and Mary. No corresponding James though for being the same age in the 1841 census HO107/313/10 folio 52 page 19
The Emma Robinson in the 1851 census in Coxhoe HO107/2391, Folio 680; Page 21 was baptised in Kelloe St. Helen 20 Aug 1848 d/o William Robinson, pitman, Quarrington Hill, and Mary Rowntree
Marriage Kelloe St. Helen: 15 June 1839 William Robinson, bachelor, Coalminer, age minor, of New Thornley, son of William Robinson, Blacksmith, married Mary Rowntree, spinster, full age, of New Thornley, daughter of John Rowntree, Miller.
I suspect those "children" added into the bottom were siblings
Janis
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Co. Durham: Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener Northumberland: Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath ------------------------------------------------------------------ Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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veerzzi
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She IS the Dorothy Robinson daughter of William and Mary Crooks, and that confirms the Kelloe link as I found in the BTs today Joseph in the Kelloe records with the same mother's maiden name. Thank you very much for that as it is not in the BT Penshaw records, I am very grateful to you for taking the trouble to find it, this puts me on much firmer ground and brings relief that I'm not putting many hours into a family I may not even be related to. I think William must die in Kelloe at some point (and on I trawl to find it) and the William and Mary Rowntree is an earlier son who took them in. Thanks for all your help! How nice to have your own microfilm
Dorothy certainly travelled around a bit, Shiney Row to Thornley to East Hetton to Shadforth to South Shields to Middlesbrough!
Dan
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Durham: Hall, Wilkinson, Watson, Gray, Wood, Cummings, Wheldon, Robinson, Cowley, Perkins, Burnside, Corby.
Northumberland: Wood, Hall, Wilkinson.
Gloucestershire: Smith, Jones, Wheeler.
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2zpool
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One of mine started in Coxhoe then bounced around Co. Durham even a stint in Wales (wouldn't have known but they had a child there) and ended up in Bedlington, NBL---then off to the USA.
Janis
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Co. Durham: Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener Northumberland: Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath ------------------------------------------------------------------ Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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veerzzi
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Yes they keep us busy, Dorothy Robinson's son George William Gray popped down to Walmer in Kent for a cenus and one of his children emigrated to New Zealand another to Canada and eventually California. The Gray and Wood lines these involve flit between North and South Shields like nobody's business which is a pain as they change region!
Thanks again for your help, it's really cheered me up after some difficult days,
Dan
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Durham: Hall, Wilkinson, Watson, Gray, Wood, Cummings, Wheldon, Robinson, Cowley, Perkins, Burnside, Corby.
Northumberland: Wood, Hall, Wilkinson.
Gloucestershire: Smith, Jones, Wheeler.
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veerzzi
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Just been back in the BTs and 1836 is mysteriously absent for Penshaw it shifts from 1835 to 1837, so thanks again, I would never have confirmed this family without your help!
Dan
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Durham: Hall, Wilkinson, Watson, Gray, Wood, Cummings, Wheldon, Robinson, Cowley, Perkins, Burnside, Corby.
Northumberland: Wood, Hall, Wilkinson.
Gloucestershire: Smith, Jones, Wheeler.
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2zpool
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Very fortunate for you that both Penshaw and Kelloe curates put in the mother's maiden name in for so many years after they were not required. Also that your Dorothy had her birthdate in. This did happened when the child born was not an infant as in your Dorothy's case.
Glad to have made your day.
Janis
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Co. Durham: Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener Northumberland: Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath ------------------------------------------------------------------ Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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