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sararvella
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Hello All,
I'm trying to research the Parr family, starting with an Ellery Parr b. 1673 in Chatteris Cambridgeshire, married Mary Kidd. Not sure how far back one can get or what one can find out but any information would be greatly appreciated, especially re professions/status that sort of thing.
Many, many thanks,
Sara
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bedfordshire boy
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You say in another post that the furthest you've got back with your Parrs is 1799 in Suffolk. It's a big gap to bridge between 1799 in Suffolk and 1673 in Cambs!
There's no Ellery Parr baptism in Chatteris parish register, but William Parr baptised Thomas Parr on 14 Jan 1676/7, Margaret Parr on 24 Aug 1679, and Elizabeth Parr on 4 Sept 1681. No other detail, not even the mother's name
There are no Parr marriages in Chatteris.
What's the evidence that Ellery was from Chatteris?
David
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sararvella
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Well the gap between Suffolk and Chatteris may be bogus, I got to the 1799 birth in Suffolk and know its my Parr and was working my way back, on the mormon site and as I was putting the information in to my tree on ancestry I kept getting these member trees which matched up and they'd worked their way back to Chatteris, no sources listed though so hence the bogus. Not sure what to do really...do I accept their information, try and double check it, discard it?
I'm so far back that I don't really know what to do! 
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sararvella
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Oh, and Paco's fits in very well, thank you!
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bedfordshire boy
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Online trees should be treated with suspicion, and used as a guide only for your own research. Take Paco's Ellery Parr baptised in 1705 in Exning, Suffolk, England. Look at the numerous trees on Ancestry. Some give his birth, marriage and death as being in Suffolk England. Others give it as Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA. You'd think that researchers could actually get the country right! And if they can't then I would place ZERO reliance on what they show, as they've only copied the data from someone else, who'd copied it from someone else....
So my advice is work back from the known to the unknown. If you know Charles born 1799 in Suffolk (England) is yours then look for his baptism to get his parents, then their marriage and so on. I haven't looked at all the Exning trees on Ancestry but those I have looked at don't show a Charles born 1799. Your tree shows Charles born c1799 at Ixworth. Does his 1839 Bury St Edmunds marriage certificate state that he is of the parish of Ixworth, and his father was Charles? You show his putative father as dying on 24 Aug 1839 at Ixworth, age 74. I can find no such burial on the NBI, where both Ixworth and Exning are covered. There's a burial on 24 Aug 1840 at Exning of Charles Parr aged 76, presumably the son of Charles and Mary baptised 19 May 1765 at Exning if member submissions on the IGI are to be believed). But there's a Charles at Ixworth buried on 28 March 1833 age 78, which ties in with a baptism on the IGI on 24 Feb 1755 son of Charles and Jane. I remain to be convinced that your hop from Exning to Ixworth is correct. There were numerous Parrs in Ixworth in the 1700s - you can see them extracted onto the IGI by using http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountySuffolk.htm#I Unfortunately marriages in Ixworth haven't been extracted.
David
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bedfordshire boy
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Because he was baptised in Cambs no online tree has found him, just putting his birth as c1703 at Exning. And I overlooked it too that it was Isleham, not Exning! Thanks Paco
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bedfordshire boy
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Not sure what to do really...do I accept their information, try and double check it, discard it?
No, don't accept anyone else's information without checking it.
But as I implied in an earlier post I don't think you cross over into the Exning branch.
You have
Charles Parr b 1799 married Rebecca Smith 1839. He was buried in Ixworth on 13 Dec 1856 age 57. In 1851 he was a widower age 52 born Ixworth. His marriage cert will give his father's name, which should be Charles. The IGI, extracted so reliable, shows a baptism of Charles Parr on 27 Jan 1799 at Ixworth, son of Charles and Susan.
You show the marriage of Charles and Susan at Ixworth. Does the entry in the parish register show Charles as being of the parish of Ixworth? The only post 1799 burial of a Charles Parr in Ixworth that fits is on 28 March 1833 age 78 ie implied birth 1755, although burial ages are unreliable. There are two Susan Parr burials in Ixworth, either of which could be the mother of Charles:
age 23 buried on 9 May 1800
age 46 on 20 Apr 1806 (she may be the Susannah baptised in 1760)
You'd need to check the parish register to see if there's any other detail eg wife of Charles, but either could explain why there are no more children after your Charles' brother, Thomas Parr, baptised on 27 Apr 1800 who was buried on 1 May 1800. The younger one seems favourite given the birth and death of Thomas a week or so earlier.
There's a Charles baptised 24 Feb 1755 at Ixworth who may be the 1798 marriage although he seems a bit on the old side to be marrying a 21 year old. You need to check the parish register for any details eg witnesses which may help tie him down.
But so far I've seen nothing that indicates that there's a link with Exning, 22 miles away. The fact that the 1865 Charles from Exning was also buried in Exning tends to reinforce that theory.
It's vital though that you check Ixworth parish register - I can't see that any Ancestry tree makes the link you've made, so it's not a case of double checking what they have.
David
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bedfordshire boy
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You posted on the Suffolk board as follows
Hmm, okay, well I've gone back to try and find out what I "know". I know that Charles Parr, definitely mine, was born 1855 Ixworth to Charles Parr and Charlotte Ann Coe. Have the birth certificate, the father is listed as Miller hence why I was rather confident that the 1851 census which shows Charles Senior as farmer and junior as miller was mine. Can't find marriage of Charles and Charlotte though.
Nor can I find any birth information for Charles Junior, census says born 1823 Ixworth but can't find anything proving his birth or giving his mother.
I know that Charles Senior did marry Susan and after she died married a Rebecca, someone's even sent me the tomb stone which shows all three of them!
Going to try and tidy things up and see if I can't find some more solid connections.
Many thanks!
There seems no doubt that Charles was born c1823/4, but there's no baptism for him on the IGI, nor indeed for his siblings, although the IGI only goes up to 1829 for Ixworth baptisms. He was buried at Ixworth on 16 Jan 1857 age 33, and Charlotte Ann Parr was buried at Ixworth on 20 Oct 1859 age 28.
Charles age 28 was living with his widower father Charles senior age 52 in Ixworth in 1851, which ties in with his burial age. Charles jun was living away from home in 1841 when Charles sen and second wife Rebecca (who was buried age 46 on 14 July 1847 at Ixworth) were living in Ixworth with children Jane 13, George 11, Elizabeth 5, and Susan 1. In 1851 there was a daughter Catherine as well who would have been 6 in 1841. In 1841 there's a Catherine Parr 5 not born in county, living with Catherine Bentley 59 in Brinkley Cambs, who may be her. There's a burial of Catherine Parr age 28 in Ixworth on 30 Oct 1837. The IGI has a marriage of Charles Parr and Catherine Hart at Brinkley Cambs on 10 Nov 1831. It would need reference to Brinkley parish register to see if Charles was of the parish of Ixworth in the marriage entry. I suspect he was. If he was then he was married three times if Charles jun was born c1823. There's also a burial of an Elizabeth Parr aged 31 on 4 July 1830, who I suspect may have been Charles sen's first wife. But there's no marriage on the IGI.
It was Charles sen's father, also Charles, who married Susan in 1798 - he's not the one who married Rebecca. Does the tombstone have dates on it, as it looks to me as though Charles was buried with his mother and his third wife?
Your Ancestry tree shows Charles Parr as marrying Ann Coe in 1852 - this marriage is on FreeBMD in Mildenhall registration district, and if it's not Charlotte Ann Coe then it's a big coincidence! The marriage cert would confirm it though. And Rebecca Smith wasn't the mother of either Charles or Catherine, as your tree shows. She could only have been the mother of Susannah
David
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sararvella
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Well I've had a photo of Charles Parr Seniors tombstone sent to me, which suggests that he did marry both Rebecca and Susan, since Rebecca is listed on the tombstone as well as his wife so I think he did marry them both, considering my own relationship with someone much older I don't find it that unreasonable. Haven't had a chance to re-edit the tree online yet.
Thank you so very much,
Many thanks,
Sara
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bedfordshire boy
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That's excellent as it proves that it was Charles born in Ixworth in 1755
who married Susan in 1798, although her age differs - the burial register
shows her as 23, the headstone as 29. But the headstone was erected
many years after her death, possibly by their son Charles, so may not be accurate.
I can't read the date (other than July 18xx) or age (it might be 46, but I
wouldn't put money on it)of Rebecca but as there's only one burial of a
Rebecca Parr at Ixworth, on 14 July 1847 age 46 I think it's reasonable to
assume that it was this Rebecca on the headstone. And she was the wife of
Charles born 1799, the son of Charles on the headstone. Rebecca Smith
who married in 1839 obviously couldn't have married old Charles who died
in 1833. The headstone also mentions Charles and Susan's son Thomas,
but I can't read the full inscription, but he was buried on 1 May 1800
It puts to rest any idea that there's an Exning link, although you might find
there's a link up much earlier in the 1600s
David
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sararvella
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Yep, got it sorted now on my tree, gets a bit confusing when everyones got the same name!!! Haha.
Anyway, now think my last Parr is Charles Parr b 1755 to Charles and Jane Parr. Ixworth, Suffolk.
I presume that's as far back as I'll be able to get then as I can't find anything for his parents marriage online?
Many, many thanks,
Sara
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bedfordshire boy
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NO!!!!!!
Whilst Ixworth marriages aren't available online, it doesn't mean that it's as far
back as you can get. You've done the easy part using censuses and the IGI,
now it gets more interesting when you need to do real research from the
parish registers which aren't online. And it's much satisfying than following what
someone else has done on their online tree.
Someone on your Suffolk thread mentioned Suffolk Look-up Exchange - there's
a lady there who offers look ups for Ixworth. See
http://www.suffolk-surnames-list.co.uk/
Give her a try to look for the marriage of Charles and Jane in Ixworth (and for
the post 1800 events that you are missing). There are a number of Parr
baptisms in Ixworth going back into the 1600s which I'm sure you
should be able to get into. This is just a temporary hurdle, not a brick wall.
If you access the IGI via
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountySuffolk.htm#I
you can isolate all Parr baptisms in Ixworth. There's a Charles baptised
19 Feb 1708, son of Charles, and another Charles baptised 10 Nov 1672, son
of William and Elizabeth. There are burials of Charles on 26 Oct 1764 and on
11 Jan 1751. These events all need to be checked with the parish register as
on the face of it they could well be your Charles' ancestors.
David
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