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yelkcub
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I wonder if there is someone out there (someone who relishes a puzzle!), experienced and skilled in family research, who would be prepared to look through a concise account of what I have been able to discover about one branch of my family, and to suggest how I might be able to take my research further, and break through a barrier I have been faced with for over a year now. I have tried everything within my repertoire to discover the origins of a set of my 3x great grandparents, but to no avail. The people concerned, reasonably well-to-do, lived in London from at least 1810, though I think both were born in the Home Counties between 1785 and 1790.
If you are prepared to read through my notes with a view to suggesting other avenues of research, I would be delighted to hear from you.
[To the moderator: I hope such a request does not breach RootsChat rules. If it does I apologise, and please feel free to delete ... or to post in a more appropriate forum]
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yelkcub
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Thanks for replies received so far. In fact I have made many RootsChat postings concerning various aspects of my search for Henry Page and his wife Jane. However, to put down everything I know, and every avenue I've tried to explore, would make for a HUGE posting.
My hope was that if someone experienced would read over my notes - she/ he might be able to suggest areas and resources that I have not covered.
My search is for Henry Page (said in the 1851 census to have been born in Charlwood, in the late 1780s) and his wife Jane [Godden], birthplace N/K as she died before the 1851 census ... though I can find no record of her death. I have sent off for all the possible Jane Page certificates (1841-51) and she is not among them, though Henry is described in the 1851 census as a widower. I eventually managed to track down one of Henry's brothers, but unfortunately that has not led to the two other brothers that I know of, nor to the identity of his parents.
I know that Jane Godden had three sisters, two of whom were Phillis and Martha.
A brief summary of what I have so far runs to three sides - I would be happy to email this material to whoever might be interested enough, and kind enough, to look at it.
Ian
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yelkcub
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Yes, 'Charlwood, Surrey' is the wording in the 1851 census. In fact Henry and Jane did marry - in 1826, 16 years after the birth of their first child. In 1861 a Chancery case was brought alleging that Henry's children were illegitimate (and therefore were ineligible to benefit from a trust fund set up by Henry's brother, Thomas) - the grounds of the case were that no proof of marriage could be produced. It seems that Henry and Jane kept their late marriage a secret from their children, not wishing those of them born before 1826 to realise that they were, in fact, illegitimate. Those of their childen born after 1826, of course, should by rights have inherited their share of their uncle's trust. Jane is present, living with Henry at 20 Bury Street, Westminster, in 1841; in 1851, living in Hillingdon, Henry is recorded as a widower. I think I am right in saying that registration was not legally compulsory at this date. Or perhaps, as you suggest, there is another explanation.
Thanks for your suggestion - and the suggestion about the 'scavenger hunt'.
Ian
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yelkcub
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In answer to Toni - Jane and Henry lived in Middlesex in 1841, and Jane, like Henry, was recorded as having been born out of county. I tried to look into the surname Godden, and believe it to be most common in Kent, particularly north Kent.
The Times report of the 1861 Chancery suit described an argument that ensued when Henry's daughters asked him, while he was making his will in 1851, a couple of months before he died, to name each of them particularly - at which Henry became angry, although he complied with their request: each of them was named, together with their husbands and current addresses. The Times reported that this argument tended to show that Henry's daughters had concerns about their possible illegitimacy.
Ian
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toni*
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No - the illegitimate children would not become legitimate on the marriage of their parents.
Derby Girl
i have it written somewhere to say otherwise, i'm pretty certain that they do become legitimate if the parents subsequently marry
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Kaz-
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Ian,
I know you said you'd sent off for all possible Jane Page death certs but just in case....
Have you ruled out the Jane Page dying Q1 1850 Uxbridge Vol 3 Page 278? There was a Jane Page buried at St Mary, Hayes on 27/2/1850 aged 60. As Henry was living in Hillingdon in 1851 this looks like a possibility to me...
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Oxfordshire: Jemmett, Bannister, Rose, Burrowes, Astry
Hampshire/Surrey borders: Gates, Eade, Chuter, Stovold, Moody, Wilcox, Alderton, Mitchell, Radford, Laurence, West, Woods, Parsons
East Surrey: Bright
Sussex: Hilder, Bishop, Stone
Tipperary: Brophy
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yelkcub
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Thanks again for all replies received: I did check on the Jane Page who died in Uxbridge in 1850, and she was not 'one of mine'. As you say, she seemed the most likely candidate among the Jane Page deaths in FreeBMD.
However - I am very interested in the Hayes burial you mention! I feel sure that both Henry and Jane would have had proper, memorialized burials - by all accounts Henry was very conscious of his dignity.
I too wondered whether Jane's death may have been registered under her maiden name - though I can't think of a sound reason why: after all, she and Henry were married, albeit sixteen years after the birth of their first child. The Times report stated that she had been his wife (legal or otherwise) for forty years.
I wonder how I can track down the Hayes details .... Hmmm ...
Thanks again IAN
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Mmmm, what a tangled web they wove 