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davidrigg3
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #15 on: Friday 30 October 09 11:16 UTC (UK) »

Nort West Kent Family History Society might be worth a try

http://www.nwkfhs.org.uk/haye_c01.htm
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #16 on: Friday 30 October 09 11:27 UTC (UK) »

Sorry, should have been clearer - it's Hayes, Middlesex not Kent.

There was also a Henry Page buried at the same church on  14/7/1851 aged 66 - I assume he died the same year he made his will?
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #17 on: Friday 30 October 09 11:35 UTC (UK) »

Kaz - that's brilliant - looking more and more likely to be the right people. Henry Page's death certificate gave his age as 'about 66 years' - he died 10 July 1851.
Would Uxbridge have been in Hayes parish in those days? If not, I'm wondering why the Pages chose St Mary's, Hayes as their place of interment ... if I'm lucky, there may be other family connections to this church. But I'm getting ahead of myself ... IAN
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #18 on: Friday 30 October 09 11:39 UTC (UK) »

Uxbridge/Hayes/Hillingdon - all in the same area of Middx w of London.

http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/Hayes/index.html
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #19 on: Friday 30 October 09 11:45 UTC (UK) »

It looks like the death that Kaz found (Jane Page Q1 1850 Uxbridge Vol 3 Page 278) and the burial of a Jane Page at St Mary, Hayes on 27/2/1850 aged 60 might very well be the same person, yet you said that this is not your Jane's death.   Undecided

Is this one of the death certificates that you purchased?
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yelkcub
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #20 on: Friday 30 October 09 11:50 UTC (UK) »

Yes - when I first began to look for my ancestor Jane Page this was the first certificate I bought, as it was the most likely among the FreeBMD Jane Page deaths (1841-51). I have the certificate on my desk as I write:

The Jane Page who was ‘found dead’ 22 February 1850 at Wood End Green, Hayes, was 59, the widow of a cigar maker. The cause of death reads: 'Strangled and suffocated herself. A suicide'
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #21 on: Friday 30 October 09 12:57 UTC (UK) »

Oh dear - poor Jane Page ...  Sad

So do you think the St Mary burial may be a different Jane Page? Ages (almost) tally.  Undecided
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yelkcub
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #22 on: Friday 30 October 09 13:34 UTC (UK) »

Yes - a few words on a death certificate conjure up what must have been a desperate personal tragedy. As you say, the near coincidence in ages makes it more than likely that this Jane Page burial in February 1850 was that of the suicide, rather than that of my ancestor. 
It would be good to know whether there were hard and fast rules governing the burial of suicides in those days - or whether it was left to the vicar's discretion. If that was the case, then the vicar of St Mary's must have been a compassionate person.

However, the Henry Page burial at St Mary's, Hayes, in July 1851 is almost certainly that of my ancestor - so Kaz has managed to add significantly to what I know about my ancestor, the elusive 'Enry.
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #23 on: Friday 30 October 09 13:40 UTC (UK) »

i'm sure people who comited suciced could not be buried with rites
suicide wasa crime hence the word committed
i have something written down athome about it, will try to find it , i have a mountain of paper

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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 31 October 09 12:44 UTC (UK) »


However, the Henry Page burial at St Mary's, Hayes, in July 1851 is almost certainly that of my ancestor -


It IS a coincidence..... Do you suppose that the suicide Jane Page may have been a relative of your Henry, if not his wife?
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 31 October 09 12:57 UTC (UK) »

... it's certainly not impossible that she might have been a relation, wife of one of Henry's brothers or cousins. There were a lot of Pages in Middlesex. I have so far failed to find a Jane Page of the right age, widow or married to a cigar merchant, in the 1841 censusIAN
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 01 November 09 16:54 UTC (UK) »

have you looked in the historicaldirectories for cigar merchant by the name of page in Middlesex 1850 and then wwork back to 1841 ?
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SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 yrs
1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on
There is no current treatment
http://www.jtsma.org.uk/
http://www.petitiontocuresma.com/


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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 01 November 09 16:56 UTC (UK) »

p.s. some of the 1841 middlesex pages are missing
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy -SMA is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles.
SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 yrs
1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on
There is no current treatment
http://www.jtsma.org.uk/
http://www.petitiontocuresma.com/


NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS

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yelkcub
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 01 November 09 17:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi Toni -
I haven't looked for Jane Page, the unfortunate lady who committed suicide and who was the widow of a cigar merchant - but I will, when I can get access to the directories you mention. I'm planning a trip to London (from Cornwall) in the near future, and can pursue the search then.

In the last day or so I have emailed the vicar of St Mary's, Hayes, to see if the church has any more records on the burial of Henry Page in July 1851 - such as whether there are other family members buried in the same grave, who purchased the plot, etc. In my email I mentioned Jane the cigar merchant's widow, to ask if it was this Jane who was buried at St Mary's in 1850, or whether it was my ancestor, Henry's wife.

I'm ***hoping*** that the vicar responds! IAN
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Re: Experienced help requested
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 01 November 09 17:35 UTC (UK) »

there are some directories online at historicaldirectories.org but i dont know if these are early enough
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy -SMA is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles.
SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 yrs
1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on
There is no current treatment
http://www.jtsma.org.uk/
http://www.petitiontocuresma.com/


NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS

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