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Tunbridge, Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells *COMPLETED*
« on: Thursday 29 October 09 13:54 UTC (UK) »

I'm confused  Undecided  Undecided  Undecided  In most cases that's easily done but can someone please help me unravel the parish/town/village/place name/district etc of Tonbridge/Tunbridge/Tunbridge Wells.  They seem to be different in some records and interchangeable in others.  I would be soooooo grateful.
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Re: Tunbridge, Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells?????????
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 October 09 14:00 UTC (UK) »

might help to plough thru these Wikipedia tomes   Tongue


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Tunbridge_Wells

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonbridge

Tonbridge - Until 1870, the town's name was actually spelt Tunbridge, as shown on old maps including the 1871 Ordnance Survey map and contemporary issues of the Bradshaw railway guide. In 1870, this was changed to Tonbridge by the GPO[1] due to confusion with nearby Tunbridge Wells, despite Tonbridge being a much older settlement.

(Royal) Tunbridge Wells has always maintained the same spelling.

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Re: Tunbridge, Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells?????????
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 29 October 09 16:02 UTC (UK) »

I have a branch of my family in Kent for a few generations, and their records are variously spelled as in Tonbridge or Tunbridge, depending on the year, but it's definitely all the same place.

Tunbridge Wells, as Curmudgeon says, is different (and rather too grand for my family!)

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Re: Tunbridge, Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells?????????
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 29 October 09 17:02 UTC (UK) »

Two other points. the spa is still here, in the season you can have a glass of spa water for about 50p, there is satill a cold water bath in the basement of Boots - this was the "bath house".When a new round-a-bout was built, two old wells were found and can still be seen.
The Royal prefix of Tunbridge Wells was given In 1909 by Edward VII.

http://www.localhistories.org/tunbridge.html

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Re: Tunbridge, Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells?????????
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 29 October 09 18:55 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for all the replies.

What prompted the confusion is that one of my families is recorded in the 1881 census as being in the Town of Tunbridge Wells in the civil parish of Tunbridge.

In 1901 they are recorded as being in the Town of Tunbridge Wells in the Civil parish of Tunb Wells (part of)

They had moved to Rodmersham in the 1891 census

Having read the wikipaedia articles and some others I see that Tonbridge and Tunbridge (without the Wells) are the same place but new and old spellings. So far so good.  Tunbridge Wells is a `new` town and lies in the old parish of Tonbridge.  Still making sense.  But then the 1901 census information confuses me again  Undecided
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 29 October 09 18:59 UTC (UK) »

This will only work if the streets still exist, but have you tried Google/Mapping the street names?
That might give you a clearer picture
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Re: Tunbridge, Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells?????????
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 29 October 09 22:10 UTC (UK) »

perhaps I can add a little here, as I spent the first 40 years of my life in Tonbridge.

Most of what you have is correct, but you are ignoring the bit of confusion brought about by simple human error. Don't assume everything you read on a census is right!

Tunbridge is the oldest name. It was/is a parish, and also a registration district and an enumeration district (for census purposes). Remember that these three are or can be different, and have different boundaries. The name was changed to Tonbridge to avoid confusion with Tunbridge Wells (which also had "Royal" added later).

By 1891 the registration district of Tunbridge had two sub-registration districts: Tunbridge and Tunbridge Wells.
By 1901, as populations grew, those two became separate registrations districts, which when combined with the name change were: Tonbridge and Tunbridge Wells.

Just to add to your confusion - things have now turned completely. Tonbridge is now part of Tunbridge Wells registration district !

If you would like to give is the census page references for your ancestors we might be able to clarify where they were better.
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Re: Tunbridge, Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells?????????
« Reply #7 on: Friday 30 October 09 17:48 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Nigelo that does help and here are the census references

1881 The Day family: RG11/913/ 73 p 5


And again the Day family 1901: RG13/753/21 p 33. (the parents are on the previous page)
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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 01 November 09 04:54 UTC (UK) »

Thats great.

In both 1881 and 1891 they are definitely in Tunbridge Wells town, reasonably close to the centre, and in good districts, not very far apart.

In 1881 they are in Grove Hill Road, and in 1901 in Calverley Crescent (today known as Calverley Park Crescent, which was possibly also its 'correct' name in 1901). Both very definitely still exist today, although I'm not sure about the specific buildings. Quite possibly though.
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Re: Tunbridge, Tonbridge, Tunbridge Wells?????????
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 November 09 23:06 UTC (UK) »

Many thanks again Nigelo.

This all confirms what I thought was right.  The enumerator has obviously used the old spelling for the Civil Parish.

Thanks for your help
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