Olive H
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Hello
Is there anyone who can tell me anything about Hodge Hall [Hole?] in Mottram in Longendale. I believe an ancestor of mine was living there in the 1700's. I found that mentioned in a google book link but have not been able to find anything else running a search on my ancestor and very little on Hodge Hall. I have only been able to find the ... ► Broadbottom Community Association ◄ "History Project 1795" link, which says very little too. Can anyone please advise how I go about finding information on the residence and also how I can confirm that my ancestor was indeed living there.
Also, does anyone know if John Rylands library at the University of Manchester would have any old maps for the area...i.e. for the 1700's time period.
Thanks in advance
Olive
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Ruskie
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I know this is rather later than your family were in the area, but it may help locate the place:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07dg/
(In the middle of the page at the bottom you can select the township).
Hope it helps - and if not it's a great site anyway. 
PS. Welcome to rootschat! 
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Ruskie
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Have you tried to locate it using the description in the link you provided? Have you tried finding it on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/? You can try comparing it to a modern map to see if the hall is still around today.
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Olive H
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Thanks for replying Ruskie. Have been through that Broadbottom Community Association link thoroughly and there is a brief mention and them having said it might have been alternatively called Hodge Hole but beyond that no details. Thanks for the old maps link but it doesn't cover the 1700's unfortunately.
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Hadn't seen your first post - just spotted it. Will check out that link - thanks for that.
Cheers
Olive
edit: Have been on that first link. It seems to provide few names but I found one name of interest regarding a more recent ancestor who was living in the region in the 1841 census.....an area called Mud. I think it covers areas rather than residence names. But Cheshire East Council might be able to help with part of my enquiry so thank you for the link
Olive
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Found an area on the modern day map called Hodge Fold and the area is clearly marked out on the 1836-51 map but no names, just the boundaries. Not sure if the Hall would have been within those boundaries.
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Ruskie
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Well it looks like you've made some progress then.
From your link it says:
A cluster of houses, some dating from the end of the seventeenth century stood at the bottom of what is now Moss Lane, now called Hodge Fold. The oldest part was then a single dwelling called Hodge Hall or possibly Hodge Hole. There were also cottages on the other side of the lane where a modern bungalow stands.
This sounds to me (but I may be wrong) like Hodge Hall was once a single dwelling now split into a number of cottages and renamed Hodge Fold.
So if you've found Hodge Fold, you've found Hodge Hall ... 
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Olive H
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Hello Ruskie
Could be so - thanks for the suggestion. I wonder when Hodge Hall would have been knocked down. I have found mention of a couple of names other than the one I am interested in, in connection with the dwelling. For instance, on this ►"The Diary of George Booth" ◄ link (Hodge Hall highlighted), below an entry for Oct 4th 1833 and above an entry for Oct 7th 1833: Mr James MATLEY of Hodge Hall died a few days since.... Does that suggest Hodge Hall was still in existence in 1833 or was it that he had been born there or brought up there, or had spent a long period of time previously there... ??
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Presumably the Hall was still there in the very early 1800's as I just found baptisms for children [not my rellies though as far as I know] born 1810-1814 where the father was mentioned as farmer of Hodge Hall, under ................ ► All Saints Glossop Baptisms ◄ ..
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Olive H
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Hodge Hall may have been knocked down anytime between 1814 and 1841, I am guessing?!! On the 1841 census for Ashton under Lyne, only these names are mentioned: ► Hodge Fold, Hodge House, Hodge Lodge and Hodge Mill. ◄ . I think you might be right with your surmise Ruskie. Thanks for all your help and the links
Olive
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bodger
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I used to live near Mottram, but never was aware of Hodge hall/ hole, but leaving Mottram via the Stalybrdge Rd, the 2nd road on the left is Matley Lane, i wnder if there was a connection with the Matley family ?
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Olive H
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Could be so Ruskie 
Thanks for your input too.... Bodger
It does look like Hodge Hall /Hole was connected with the Matley family certainly at some stage from what I found under "The Diary of George Booth" [link above]. Not aware I have any ancestral connection to them but you never know I think it is likely that Matley Lane was named after the Matley family. Not sure which Archives would be the best course of action for finding out more regarding Hodge Hall/Hole.
Thanks
Olive
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Ruskie
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There is also a 'Higher Matley Hall' on the modern map.
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Olive H
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Hi Ruskie
Thanks for the info
Now I wonder who built the both of them 
I earlier sent a query through the Tameside gov website regarding Hodge Hall. Will post details here when they respond....hopefully they will be able to tell us a little more ....fingers crossed ..
I wonder if that was just called Matley Hall in the olden days as just ran a quick search and could only find mention of a Matley Hall in the censuses for the area.. It must be an old building anyway as I just found this also....mention of it having been for sale, fairly recently presumably....it is Grade II listed and has stables, and a tack room ? [whatever that is] ... ►Matley ...Higher Matley Hall ◄ ...
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Ruskie
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Yes, do keep us up to date with any new findings OliveH. I think a tack room is something to do with horsey things?
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juljul
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Just found out also there was a Stayley Hall in Mottram at least in the early 1800's..connected with farming
Olive
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