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MonicaLesl
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 31 October 09 19:39 UTC (UK) »
No Arnie, not part of my family, just helping you out  Smiley

I think I may have found Joseph Carr's roots.....

We have him as born c. 1842 in England from the 1881 census. Parents William and Elizabeth (Mould).

There is this entry on IGI:

JOSEPH CARR  Christening: 24 MAR 1842 Saint Peter, Saint Albans, Hertford
Parents:WILLIAM CARR and ELIZABETH

Possible 1851 census entry for Joseph, with siblings who show on IGI, in Harpenden, St Albans Herts:

William Carr 71, superxxx Excise Officer
Elizabeth Carr 40 b. Honey (should be Stoney) Stratfd, Buckinghamshire, England
Amelia Carr 20
William Carr 17
Sophia Carr 14
John Carr 10
Joseph Carr 9
Frederick Carr 6
Edwin Carr 4
Mary Ann Carr 2

HO107; Piece: 1713; Folio: 263; Page: 2

There is then this possible entry for mother Eliza on IGI:

Elizabeth Mold  Birth: 10 JUN 1810 Stony Stratford, Buckingham

Remember spellings at this time varied (Mould/Mold).

Cannot see a marriage for William Carr and Elizabeth Mold but given they probably married before the start of official registration in late 1837, you are then reliant on parish entries.

Monica

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
MonicaLesl
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 31 October 09 19:48 UTC (UK) »
Would help you to be able to link the info to Joseph if you could get a better image of the section which include's his father's occupation on his marriage cert.

If you contact SP on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/contactus/form.aspx?issue=24 and explain which area you are having a problem reading, they will send you via email an enhanced section, which in many cases makes things very clear.

They are very good on these types of queries and normally respond within 48hrs.

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
ibi
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 31 October 09 20:00 UTC (UK) »
Arnie

Excsie Officers were highly mobile, - they had to go where they were posted, and that could be anywhere in the British Isles; back then that included Ireland, which could explain how Joseph ended up in Edinburgh .....

ibi
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suffolker
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 01 November 09 08:46 UTC (UK) »
hi! ibi and Monica
thanks again for your help!!!
i hope helping me does not incur costs for you!! as i soon spent £10 on the sp site yesterday!!
the tip about having the family search site open along side sp i found quite brilliant!!!
i have now got so many things to check out its difficult to put everything in its place??
its now clear to me that i have to chase some birth certs
what would be the best way of obtaining these?
can i get membership of scotlands people similar to ancestry.com
again many thanks
arnie the suffolker
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suffolker
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 01 November 09 08:50 UTC (UK) »
one query do you know  whats a  superxxx excise officer
arnie
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ibi
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 01 November 09 11:27 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: suffolker on Sunday 01 November 09 08:50 UTC (UK)
one query do you know  whats a  superxxx excise officer
arnie

Most probably superintending excise officer.  Quite possibly the "intending" bit has been abbreviated.  I'd need to see the image to be sure.

ibi
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ibi
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 01 November 09 11:29 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: suffolker on Sunday 01 November 09 08:46 UTC (UK)
hi! ibi and Monica
 thanks again for your help!!!
i hope helping me does not incur costs for you!! as i soon spent £10 on the sp site yesterday!!
the tip about having the family search site open along side sp i found quite brilliant!!!
i have now got so many things to check out its difficult to put everything in its place??
its now clear to me that i have to chase some birth certs
what would be the best way of obtaining these?
can i get membership of scotlands people similar to ancestry.com
again many thanks
arnie the suffolker

Unfortunately SP is a pay per view site in terms of seeing the results of searches and viewing digitised images.  I've heard vague rumours about the possible introduction in the future of a subscription basis, but don't hold your breath!

If the births involved are in 1855 or later in Scotland and before 1909, then it's the ScotlandPeople route, or a visit to Edinburgh !  If the births took place after 1909 you have to order an extract, - a legal copy, - this can be done various ways, including SP where it costs £10.

If the births took place in England then there's currently no alternative to buying the certificate, which used to cost £6.50 but I think has gone up to £7.00.  Unfortunately up to 1911 when the mother's surname starts to appear in the index, until you receive the certificate there is no way of knowing if it's the correct one.  In certain circumstances I believe that it can be possible get a partial refund.

ibi
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MonicaLesl
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 01 November 09 11:34 UTC (UK) »
Hi Arnie

I couldn't clearly make out the superxxxx. The word that sprung to mind was superannuated, ie retired, which makes sense given William's age. You could always post that cropped section on the deciphering board here on RC - www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,425.0.html - and see what everybody else thinks.

Sounds like you have caught the SP bug  Grin Totally addictive  Wink

SP is only available on a pay to view basis, not on a subs basis. It is though a very reasonable cost to obtain a copy of the actual BMD entry. If you think about it, for £1.20 you can obtain an immediate original entry on line of a certificate, compared to a minimum cost of £7 for English BMDs and then the wait for the post.

Monica  Smiley

Added: Sorry Ibi, our posts crossed over
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
ibi
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 01 November 09 12:07 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: suffolker on Saturday 31 October 09 19:04 UTC (UK)
hi! monica
cannot read his occupation and it looks like he was deceased
 Undecided
are these people part of your family
arn

The digitised image could be better !

On the marriage register entry Joseph is a Pastry Baker, and his father William is shown as an Excise Officer deceased.

The situation is not helped by the registrar involved using very fancy flourishes on some of his capital letter, e.g. the start of the J of the Janet, given name of Henrietta's mother, takes up nearly the same length as the "anet" part of the name.

In the other image on the same register page there's a Railway Clerk, and the "R" starts half an inch to the left of the "ailway" !

ibi
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MonicaLesl
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 01 November 09 13:00 UTC (UK) »
That's great ibi, you have confirmed we do very likely have the right family line for Joseph Carr in that 1851 household and associated entries on IGI Smiley

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
ibi
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 01 November 09 17:04 UTC (UK) »
Hi Monica

Nae prob re the cross over posts!

What has to be done to obtain an image of the 1851 census entry ?

While it's a minor point I'm intrigued to see what the xxx was.


Whit a rubbish Q  Angry , as Ancestry not only has the index but also the English images !, but not yet, at least, the Scottish census enumeration book images.

It's Superannd Excise Officer, so you win the coconut for your suggestion re superannuated.  That's a term I've never ever seen in the Scottish censuses or the guidance note for enumerators in Scotland, which was why I was off on the completely wrong track of supervising or superintending; at least that's my feeble excuse  Grin  ...............


Aye weel, ken, ye win some and ye lose lots mair  Roll Eyes

ibi
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MonicaLesl
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 01 November 09 17:13 UTC (UK) »
 Grin Thanks for coconut and hold on to your hair ibi  Wink
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
suffolker
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 11:57 UTC (UK) »
i have found william marr's fathers james under the the name of marra
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MonicaLesl
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 13:28 UTC (UK) »
That's great Arnie - sounds like you are making progress  Smiley
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: marr lawrence
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 08 November 09 10:05 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: suffolker on Saturday 31 October 09 16:06 UTC (UK)
ii have found a birth for joseph carr on family search .org  being born in canongate midlothian who married a widower henrietta eckford nee caldwell/coldwell in 1870

BEWARE! The entry which says Joseph was born in Canongate is 'submitted' to the International Genealogical Index (IGI) at www.familysearch.org. There is no way of knowing where the information came from. In fact it looks to me very much like an entry generated by someone who has seen the marriage certificate and assumed that because Joseph was married in Edinburgh, he must also have been born in Edinburgh (though I note with interest that the submitter didn't include 'Edinburgh' - maybe it was someone who does not know that Canongate is in Edinburgh.)

Always be very, very suspicious of any entry in the IGI which includes the words 'about' and 'of'. Either of these always indicates guesswork and is not to be relied on. Always plan to track down and look at the original document from which the information was taken.

In this case, just ignore the birth entry for Joseph.

Edit: sorry, I have just realised that Monica told you much the same thing.
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