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MyHistory
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Hello,
I'm wondering if anyone can help.
I have traced part of my family on the 1881 census who owned a bakers shop on Oxford Street in the district of Belper. I am looking for more information on this bakers i.e. name of the shop, how long they owned it for and maybe an advertisement in the local newspaper..... I have searched online through the Derby Mercury but have had no luck. Any ideas?
Thank you in advance.
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MyHistory
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Thank you for the quick reply!
The family name is Kemp, with Jonas Kemp being the head of the family.
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gortonboy
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hi,,cant add much more im afraid,,,he is in the directory for derbyshire for 1874,,maybe this helps with your timeline. The directory just gives his name,job,and address as oxford street,,but no number.
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MCHUGH {mayo/manchester} MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago} KENNY{Kingswear,devon/manchester} TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester} LEE{manchester}
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MyHistory
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Thats a shame - thank you for taking the time to look its much appreciated
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spendlove
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Hi,
There is no Oxford Street in Belper, I have checked the 1881 Census and the address is
5 Oxford Street, Ripley, Derbyshire.
You can get access to Historical Directories on line at:-
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp
Spendlove
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cheshiremog
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Hi Myhistory
Yes Oxford Street is in Ripley which came under the district of Belper. Oxford Street was pedestrianised in the late/mid 1980s (roughly). At that time I do not think buildings were knocked down, so some may possibly go back to the 1880s, but of course there are all modern shop fronts now. On the 1881 I see that Jonas is at no 5 Oxford Street, if the numbering system has remained the same you may be able to pinpoint it from the following list of businesses there today:-
http://www.myripley.co.uk/businesses.htm
However the numbering system looks very odd. I suspect that the numbering starts at the High Street end of Oxford Street, runs down own side of Oxford Street, then continues from the Park Road end of Oxford Street back up towards High Street. I do not think the numbers are odd on one side and even on the other, I think the numbers follow on. This would mean that no 5 is up at the High Street end.
Take a look at the Royal Mail postcode finder website which will pinpoint number 5 for you.
A number of very good local history books were published about Ripley - Ripley in pictures and the shops featured a lot - sometimes these come up for sale on ebay.
Mog
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Cheshire - TAYLOR, HEAPY, KNOWLES, HAMPSON, CLAYTON, STONIER, PRITCHARD, NADIN, GALLIMORE
Staffs - HEAPY
Devon - CLIFT, VITTERY, TRIST, MOLLOY, COBLEY, LEAR, GUILFOYLE, BICKFORD, EPPS, BEAZLEY, DARKE, LANG, QUANT, BLANKENSHIP
Devon & Cornwall - CLIFT, LARK
Somerset -Frome -HEAPY
Derbys/Notts- COCKAYNE, PHEASEY, KNOWLES
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spendlove
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Hi,
It is possible to "Walk the Census", each area i.e. Ripley is split into Districts, so for example
on the 1901 Census on an actual Census image showing Kemp, Baker on the top you will see
Derbyshire > Ripley> District 5.
Click on District 5, on next page click on "View description of Enumeration District" which appear next to District 5.
You will then see a description of where the Enumerator started, which way he walked and where he finished.
"All houses on the South Side of Oxford Street, all Crossley Street" etc etc
This is quite difficult on early Census, because of demolition and re-build, but by 1901 is quite easy.
Spendlove.
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cheshiremog
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Hi MyHistory
A friend of mine who has some of the old Ripley in Pictures Books has had a search through and Kemp's Bakery is mentioned. It says 'There has been a bakery in Oxford Street for close on one hundred years. Starting as 'Kemp's' around the turn of the century. It was run by the Moss Brothers from the 1940s to 1980s' There is an advert for Moss bakery dating to 1949' The advert says the bakery is at no 47 Oxford Street.
The book is now a few years old, so we are talking more than one hundred years now and it seems the writer was not aware that the Kemp bakery was certainly there in 1881.
There is a photo of the Moss bakery in 1984 about that time it changed hands, and at the time of writing the book was being run by Mr & Mrs Bell, who changed the shop frontage but retained the name 'Moss'.
It also mentions a Midlands Wrestling Champion called Percy Illsley who was born in 1893. Percy started work as a baker at Kemp's bakery.
I wonder if the Kemp's had a bakery at no 5 and also at no 47, or maybe the numbers were changed?
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Mog
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Cheshire - TAYLOR, HEAPY, KNOWLES, HAMPSON, CLAYTON, STONIER, PRITCHARD, NADIN, GALLIMORE
Staffs - HEAPY
Devon - CLIFT, VITTERY, TRIST, MOLLOY, COBLEY, LEAR, GUILFOYLE, BICKFORD, EPPS, BEAZLEY, DARKE, LANG, QUANT, BLANKENSHIP
Devon & Cornwall - CLIFT, LARK
Somerset -Frome -HEAPY
Derbys/Notts- COCKAYNE, PHEASEY, KNOWLES
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cheshiremog
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Hi there again
Just thinking
If the Kemp's had a bakery in Oxford Street from 1881 (at least) right up to 1940, then surely their adverts would appear in The Ripley & Heanor News Archives which are held in Ripley Library on fiche. The newspaper archives go back to around 1901 I believe.
Mog
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Cheshire - TAYLOR, HEAPY, KNOWLES, HAMPSON, CLAYTON, STONIER, PRITCHARD, NADIN, GALLIMORE
Staffs - HEAPY
Devon - CLIFT, VITTERY, TRIST, MOLLOY, COBLEY, LEAR, GUILFOYLE, BICKFORD, EPPS, BEAZLEY, DARKE, LANG, QUANT, BLANKENSHIP
Devon & Cornwall - CLIFT, LARK
Somerset -Frome -HEAPY
Derbys/Notts- COCKAYNE, PHEASEY, KNOWLES
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