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*COMPLETED* Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« on: Friday 30 October 09 15:32 UTC (UK) »

Hi there

I am looking to find the SPOUSE of Percival Harrap b1881 Sale Victoria (birth certificate he was registered as Percival Bennett and unknown father) his mother Elizabeth married same year to James Henry HARRAP sometimes misspelt as Harrop and he was brought up a Harrap.

He was married  and had children, one being Laurence James Harrap b 1803 Mount Gambia, South Australia.  So I know he used the Harrap name when he married.

I have looked at the online Victoria registers  and  cannot find any entry there so I am hoping that as his son Laurence was born in SA then that's where they were married..unless they didn't?!!

Any pointers will be really appreciated.

Many thanks in advance.


Sue
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Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #1 on: Friday 30 October 09 23:13 UTC (UK) »

Hello  there and welcome to Rootschat

Can you tell us  the name of  the wife to Percival Harrup  that will help looking for  the birth of  the son Laurence and maybe the marriage of his parents

thanks JEnn
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Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #2 on: Friday 30 October 09 23:30 UTC (UK) »

Consider the following Smiley

Birth
ROSIE Percival William Bennett
Father Unknown  Mother Elizabeth ROSIE
At Sale  1881  Reg#19091

Marriage in Victoria
HARRAP James  b. Lincolnshire
ROSIE Elizabeth b. Williamstown
1881  Reg#4860

Elizabeth's birth
ROSIE Elizabeth
Father Thomas  Mother Margaret BRUCE
At Williamstown  1859  Re#12465
 
Birth is SA
ROSEY Lawrence James
6 August 1904
Father Percival William ROSEY  Mother Maud Matilda MARRIA
At Rosaville   Gre 734/432

District Gresham includes Mt Gambier.

Marriage
ROSEY Lawrence James 27 years  Single Father Percival William ROSEY
DUVAL Irene Eugenie  24  Single  Father Claude Wolfe DUVAL
12 September 1931
At Congregational Church Hindmarsh   Hin Symbol V* 328/573
*V. Variation in name spelling or interpretation of data noted on registration. Generally Informants version is used if the entry is clear
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Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 October 09 23:39 UTC (UK) »

Lake Terrace Cemetery  Mount Gambier
Section F  Plot/Grave/Niche 735

HARRAP Percival John  died 23/6/1940  age 59
HARRAP  Maude Matilda died 28/8/1963 age 80 years

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Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 October 09 23:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi Raylen Wink 

Name changes certainly make searching interesting Grin

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Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 31 October 09 00:03 UTC (UK) »


Don't want to confuse the issue but..... Roll Eyes

Marriage in Victoria

Percy Willy ROISE         born Rosedale
Maud Maltad MARIA      born PMelb
1902 3666R

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Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 31 October 09 00:03 UTC (UK) »

I concur with CANDO that Percival William ROSIE is your man.

Also have

Percival William ROSIE born 1903 Williamstown to Percival William ROSIE and Maud Tilly MARRIA

Lawrence James ROSEY married Irene Eugenie DUVAL 12 Sep 1931 at the Hindmarsh Congregational Church, SA

Lawrence James ROSEY had 2 children die in SA between 1917 and 1942

Helene Eugenie ROSEY died 10 Jun 1935 aged 2 years at North Adelaide
Lloyd Neville Harrap ROSEY died 26 Sep 1941 aged 3 years at North Adelaide

Also found Lawrence James ROSEY died 7 Aug 1982 aged 78 years and was cremated at Centennial Park, Adelaide
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Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 31 October 09 00:21 UTC (UK) »

More births under Harrap

For Percival William HARRAP and Maud MARRIA
Iris Louise 21 Jul 1922 at Compton, SA
Imelda Grace 25 Oct 1924 at Compton, SA
Charles Ernest 10 Dec 1906 at Rosaville, SA
Allan Edwin 20 Jan 1914 at Compton, SA

And there are at least marriages for 4 sons and 1 daughter of Percival William Harrap in South Australia

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Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 31 October 09 00:43 UTC (UK) »

The details of the following index entries confirm the Percival William ROSEY and Percival William HARRAP is the same person.

HARRAP Charles Ernest
10 December 1906
Father Percival William ROSEY  Mother Maud Matilda MARRIA
At Rosaville   Gre 776/4
Cross Reference  See also -  ROSEY Charles Ernest

HARRAP Allan Edwin
20 January 1914
Fathe: Percival William ROSEY  Mother Maud MARRIA
At Compton   Gre 928/151
Cross Reference  See also-  ROSEY Allan Edwin

HARRAP Iris Louine
21 July 1922
Father Percival William HARRAP  Mother Maud MARRIA
At Compton    Gre 101 A*/278

HARRAP Imelda Grace
25 October 1924
Father Percival William HARRAP  Mother Maud Matilda MERRION
At Compton   Gre 144A*/448

A*. Amended Record. Clerical error identified and amended. Suspected Spelling errors in names have not been amended. Generally Place of Birth or District Spelling, mother and father entered in wrong columns.

Percival and Maud/e's marriage certificate would give you the names of her parents and hopefully the correct surname.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Neither Percival nor Matilda were enrolled to vote in 1909 in South Australia.


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Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 31 October 09 03:12 UTC (UK) »

Nice to see Cando back on the board, you have certainly helped enourmously with this thread as usual.

I  had a quick look early this morning with the details given but nothing showed and hadn't the time to delve further,

no doubt Gruffallo  should be happy with the work that you have done along with Raylen and Dalet

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Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 31 October 09 03:30 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sue,
I can't find a marriage in SA.


Elizabeth ROSIE b 1859 Williamstown -father Thomas ROSIE mother Margaret BRUCE  # 12465
She had 5 siblings.

Percival William Bennett ROSIE b 1881 Sale -mother Elizabeth ROSIE # 19091

James HARRAP  {B Lincolnshire} m Elizabeth Rosie { b Williamstwon}1881 # 4860
They had:
1. Sarah Ann b 1882 Rose{ maybe Rosebud} # 18607
2. George Edward b 1884  Bairnsdale # 12382
3. Thomas Allan b 1886 Ruse # 29276
4. William Bruce b 1888 Sale # 24330 d 1888 Sale  # 11225
5. Malcolm b 23.5.1892  Mount Gambier # 501/89
6. Margaret Bruce Florence b 4.4.1897  Mount Gambier # 601/436

Percival's son
Lawrence James ROSEY b 6.8.1904  Rosaville  father Percival William ROSEY mother  Maude Matilda MARRIA  # 734/432

I can't find a marriage for Percival and Maude in SA
Back to Victoria...
Percival William ROSIE b 1903 Williamstown father Percival  Wm mother  Maud Tilly MARRIA  # 7091
Definitely no marriage in VIC
Can't find a birth for Maud MARRIA but there were MARRIAs in Williamstown at the time and the mother of the children was Jane BRUCE . Seeing as how Elizabeths mother was a Bruce maybe Percy and Maud were cousins of some sort.
Hope this all helps, it is a confusing family this one!
Regards
Alison

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Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 31 October 09 04:13 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jenn...thank you but incorrect info made it more complicated Smiley

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I can't find a marriage for Percival and Maude in SA
Back to Victoria...
Percival William ROSIE b 1903 Williamstown father Percival  Wm mother  Maud Tilly MARRIA  # 7091
Definitely no marriage in VIC
Alison

From Raylen reply#5
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Marriage in Victoria

Percy Willy ROISE         born Rosedale
Maud Maltad MARIA      born PMelb
1902 3666R

I think we have answered the request for the name of Percival's spouse.  Information is being duplicated.




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Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 31 October 09 06:27 UTC (UK) »

There are at least 3 of the sons of James HARRAP and Elizabeth ROSIE (reply #7) with records in the National Archives, 2 of which are digitised.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx

One born Rosedale (which is, i suspect, what ROS stamds for in the reg of the first daughter), one Mt Gambier.  One of them has James as NoK and gives addresses for him in Rosedale and later in Footscray, Vic.

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*COMPLETED* Re: Lookup SA Marriage Please - Percival HARRAP
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 31 October 09 08:29 UTC (UK) »

Cheesy

Wow! Thanks guys, you certainly have been busy whilst I was asleep.  

I think Cando has nailed it and although all the name changes and spellings are very confusing, (thanks Raylen & Dalet!) I think I can get through it all and it makes sense. So family rumours are not quite right as Laurence was NOT the one to adopt the Rosey name in fact it was Percival. That makes much more sense.

In #8  from Cando "The details of the following index entries confirm the Percival William ROSEY and Percival William HARRAP is the same person". I notice both the girls entries are A* amended and are Harrap whereas the male births are Rosey and not. Wonder what the significance of that is. Will get going now and close this thread and post a new one if I get stuck again.

Thanks again, my first attempt to get help has exceeded my expectations by far.

Sue


There is more than enough to get on with and I was interested in the digitized NAA records as I haven't thought of using these before.

A big thanks
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