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postylady
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Hi everyone
I am after some info on the railways in Crewe, as my g grandfather was an engine fitter and his father was an engine driver, in the 1800's. On one of the census records 1911, it says he was Railway loco lif engine fitter, what's LIF, any ideas, or am i having a dim moment? It seems my g grandfathers sons (my nannas brothers) also worked on the trains, 2 were firemen and one was a cleaner at 18, so could have worked his way up.
Any information at all would be appreciated
Thanks in advance
Theresa
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Redroger
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LIF loco inspection fitter, but that is just a guess. A fitter could not work his way up to be a driver as the two grades were in entirely different lines of promotion. A fitter was usually a fully apprenticed tradesman who had served a seven year apprenticeship somewhere in the engineering trade. In many respects as a result of their apprenticeship and tradesman status they were often not regarded as full railway workers, and had entirely different wage, promotional, and conditions of employment structures to the rest of the rail industry. He could only become a driver if he resigned from his trade and started again as an engine cleaner. To do this he had to be under 25, and frankly nuts! The footplate staff had this promotional structure, cleaner, cleaner passed for firing, fireman, fireman passed for driving and driver. Some lines had an intermediate grade of shunting driver. To join under 25, over 5feet 4inches, physically fit with 6/6 eyesight and normal colour vision. Subject to medicals throughout career at 5 yearly intervals and on promotion, which was by seniority subject to passing technical exams. I could go on, but don't want to bore the viewers. Will try to answer any questions.
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postylady
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Thanks for that, is there anywhere were i can get photo's or details of workers on the lines, do you know? I'm getting bored of just looking for people now, i want to add flesh to the bones, if i can.
Theresa
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postylady
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I'm on to it now, thanks again
Theresa
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GlynneH
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Have you tried :
South Cheshire Family History Society (Crewe Group) http://www.fhsc.org.uk/ who are located in Crewe Library
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The Cheshire Records Office at Chester http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/Recordoffice/home.htm I know these have the staff records from Crewe Works covering that period'.
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The staff history/roll of honour search of the LNWR Society http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/SHG/index.php,
If you post the names your looking for I might be able to search a couple of places
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postylady
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Hi Glynn
I'm not sure if i'm barking up the wrong tree, but the names are:-
Samuel Cooper (father)
Arthur Gregory Cooper (son)
Charley Cooper (grandson, and as it is spelt on the census)
George Cooper (grandson)
Alfred Cooper (grandson)
Charley George and Alfred were all born in Walsall though and not Crewe, this is why i'm not sure if i'm barking up the wrong tree or not.
Thanks for the links that you sent me, i will go on them later today, and thanks for the offer for searching a couple of places. Much appreciated
Theresa
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postylady
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Thanks for that Red, will keep trying to find anything out that i can. Am going to try the links that Glynn sent me and see how i get on.
When i contacted the Bedfordshire archives about another branch of my tree, they were very helpful and i found out a lot of information due to their help, so lets hope the same goes for the Cheshire Records Office.
Thanks again
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postylady
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Hi
I don't think he moved back to Crewe after Walsall, as this was where my nanna (his daughter)was born and my dad was later born here along with his brother and sisters, but my nanna's husband (the one in the photo) came from Grimsby. Gone as far as i can with him for the moment though, got his army records and now waiting to get in touch with relevant sources to see if he has any medals unclaimed, waiting for my aunty to write and give consent for me to try and find or aquire it or them.
Theresa
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postylady
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Thanks for that, yet again, he first joined up in 1922, so too young for the first war, but he did take part in the second war, and from what i can gather from family, we are all lucky to be here today, as he was left for dead on the beaches and his ship was torpedoed, he couldn't swim and the next ship was also torpedoed.
Lucky man (or unlucky) depending on your viewpoint...don't think i would want to go through what they went through.
Theresa
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postylady
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Think it's worth a visit then? I did go to South Staffs museum, but no record of him there, they said i would be better looking in The royal engineers Museum in Kent, but it is quite far from me, but i'm sure i'll get there one day.
Theresa
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