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Topic: Surname of Culhane, Lumbard and Harnett (Read 233 times)
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roseland
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I have trying to research the Irish side of my family and have come up against a brick wall. On one side I have Annie Culhane who was born in Cork on 29 Feb 1884 but was married in York in 1904 to William Price. According to her marriage certificate Her Father was Charles William Culhane and a Farmer by occupation. On the other side of my family I have James Harnett born c1851 and Catherine Lumbard c1852 both from Cork but married in Cardiff on 4 August 1868. James Father was John Harnett (deceased at time of marriage) and Catherines Father was Stephen Lumbard. I would be interested in finding birth certificates for all of these. Can anyone lead me in the right direction please.
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shanew147
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An index to civil records is available online at : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable
These records cover BMD from 1864. If you find promising matches you can order certs from the GRO using the reference details (name,district, year/quarter, volume & page) - see : http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm Non Catholic marriages (i.e. those that did not take place in an RC church) where registered from 1845.
There will not be any certs for earlier records. For these you would need to search for parish records, which require you to know where the events took place (i.e. parish or townland) and the religion of the people involved.
where in Co. Cork was Annie born ?
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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roseland
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Hello Shane, thanks very much for this. Unfortunately everytime I click on the link I just end up with a blank page, I have tried this several times with the same effect. I also have no idea where exactly Annie Culhane was born, just that it was County Cork. Would seem as if I have a real task on my hands!
Kind regards, Carla
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shanew147
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The familysearch pilot site uses the Adobe Flash control in your browser, and this can cause problems for some people - there have benn discussions about this - I'll try to find where this was discussed before and post a link. The first thing to try is to refresh the blank page you get.. usually you do this by pressing the F5 function key (this depends on the type of browser you you use), another idea is to try a different web browser - e.g. if you use Internet Explorer try the familysearch site with Firefox or Chrome..
I'll have search for Annie's birth, but without knowing a rough location there may be quite a few results.
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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roseland
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Hello Shane, MY apologies for not responding earlier but I have been away for a few days. Thank you so much for offering to help. I have just found some additional information from a distant relative - presumably Annie Culhane was in fact born Joanna Culhane but changed her name when she got married to Annie as her husband thought it was too old fashioned! I do hope I haven't put you to too much trouble looking for a birth record for Annie Culhane? I would still be grateful if you come up with anything if you could possibly let me know.
Once again, very many thanks
Carla
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shanew147
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I think a firstname of Joanna may be less frequent than Anne/Annie - which might help...
No immediate matches but the surname Culhane - but when I tired variations this one jumped out at me, right year, correct first name, and the surname could sound like Culhane :
Name: Johanna Cullinane
Registration district: Macroom
Record type: Birth
quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1884
Volume: 5 / Page: 426
I'll continue keep searching, but thought I should mention that one for you to think about...
Macroom is a town about 40km to the west of Cork City.
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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roseland
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Hi again, unfortunately I do not think this is the one as the date of birth I have is 29 February 1884 and the one you have found is Oct - Dec 1884, but I can see why it would look good.
Thanks again for your hard work, very much appreciated.
Best wishes
Carla
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shanew147
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where do you have the date of birth from ?
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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roseland
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I got it from her death record. She died in Sutton, Surry in 1977.
Regards
Carla
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shanew147
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It might be wise to be a little bit cautious of this detail on a death cert - as the accuracy of the age depends on the informant....
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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roseland
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Thank you, you could well be right. I will see if I can obtain some other information from the relative who told me about her name change, as I certainly think the one you found is still worth looking at.
Carla
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shanew147
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One of my grandmother consistently told us she was born in 1898 - eventually found her baptism two years earlier. (she had no civil record ...but that's another story)
even though the year may be out a little bit, I presume her family knew her birthday... so we can probably rule out that Oct-Dec record. Do you have Annie/Johanna on any census returns ?
I'll widen the search years a bit and see if there are any promising first quarter matches..
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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roseland
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I have checked England/Wales Census and found nothing, have to assume she came over to England just before she was married. As she was married in 1904 I did try a search of the 1901 on the address she gave on her marriage certificate, this appeared to be a boarding house with quite a few Irish but she was not living there in 1901.
Looking back through the notes I took from my relative, she lived with her daughter for the last years of her life and in an adjoinging flat for many years prior to this, and it was her who registered her death. However I feel you could be right regarding the year, as I have a copy of her marriage certificate and on this she says she was 19 in December 1904. If the year date for her birth was correct she would have been 20 (nearing 21).
Like you, looking at so many census over the years, the ages of relatives seem to change every 10 years!
I do also have to query some of the info I received as again on her marriage certificate she states her father as Charles William Culhane, but the relative told me that her father was James Culhane - all very confusing as I do know that I have the correct marriage certificate.
Once more thank you for your help.
Carla
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shanew147
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The 1901 Irish census is due online on the National Archives web soon (early next year) - hopefully Annie/Johanna will be listed there... maybe with her family
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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