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Topic: Alexander Allan b.1819 (Read 403 times)
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rdarby
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Alexander Allan b.1819, farm labourer or slate quarrier resided at Newtongarrie Inn, Drumblade and in 1843 was convicted for cattle stealing and susequently transported to Australia. He was at one time working for a James Jalbert, farmer at Wedderburn.On his convict indent sheet, it states he had a wife, Mary, his father was James, his mother was Janet and he 5 brothers: James,George,Robert,Peter and Walter and 4 sisters: Janet,Catherine,Jane and Ellen.
I believe his wife's maiden name was Duncan and they had one child, James who was born just before Alexander was transported, never to see them again.
I have found a few of these names on various census records, but no way of being sure they are related. Does anyone recognise any of the siblings or parents? I believe the mother's maiden name may have been Smith.
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MonicaLesl
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How frustrating for you - the siblings show on the Old Parish Registers except Alexander  These are the children showing on IGI to James Allan and Janet Smith - everything fits but strangely, given how complete it looks, no entry for Alexander :
1. JANNET ALLAN Christening: 23 MAR 1808 Grange, Banff
2. WILLIAM ALLAN Christening: 27 JAN 1810 Forgue, Aberdeen
3. CATHERINE ALLAN Christening: 23 NOV 1811 Forgue, Aberdeen
4. JAMES ALLAN Christening: 15 JUL 1813 Forgue, Aberdeen
5. JOHN ALLANChristening: 16 JUL 1815 Forgue, Aberdeen
6. JANE ALLAN Christening: 13 JUN 1817 Forgue, Aberdeen
7. GEORGE ALLAN Christening: 08 JUN 1821 Drumblade, Aberdeen
8. ROBERT ALLANChristening: 14 MAY 1823 Drumblade, Aberdeen
9. PETER ALLAN Christening: 11 JUN 1825 Deskford, Banff
10. WALTER ALLAN Christening: 28 MAY 1827 Deskford, Banff
11. HELEN ALLAN Christening: 21 MAR 1831 Deskford, Banff
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MonicaLesl
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The family back in Aberdeen for the 1841 census:
James Allan 55, farmer
Janet Allan 50
Peter Allan 16
Walter Allan 14
Helen Allan 12
Isobel Allan 4
Address: Aslead, Monquhitter Aberdeenshire
Everyone showing as born outside the County and ages rounded down to the nearest 5yrs for everyone over 15.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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And in 1851, with some more detail:
James Allan 66, Farmer Of 50 Acres Employeng 3 Labourers, b. Rathran, Banffshire
Jannet Allan 64, Granft, Banffshire
Walter Allan 22 b. Deskford, Banffshire
Helen Allan 20, b. Deskford, Banffshire
Isabella Allan 14, niece b. New Deer, Aberdeen
John Allan 8, nephew b. Mc Duff, Banff
Monica
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flst
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Hi,Alexander married Mary Duncan on 26th January 1843 in Drumblade & James was born 9 months later on 18th September 1843 & christened on 21st November 1843 in Cairnie. In the 1841 census both Alexander (20) Ag.Lab. & Mary Duncan (20) female servant,were working on the farm of Wedderburn.Both were born in the county of Aberdeenshire.Have you considered that the OPR's were incomplete? If you go on genuki,you will find out what each parish's coverage is.Have you traced Mary & James forward through the censuses?
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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rdarby
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Thanks, Monica and flst,
Thankyou both for your interest.
I had found the marriage for Alexander and Mary Duncan, but not the birth for James jnr, Where did you find it?
I have recently received from the NAS a number of documents relating to Alexander's Indictment, and one of them is a statement from James Jalbert, his former employer, who mentioned that Alexander's wife (Mary Duncan) was his sister-in-law. His wife was Isabella,but I have not been able to find an Isabella Duncan anywhere. She was Isabella Jalbert on the 1841 census.
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flst
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Hi, I got the information from the I.G.I. (through familysearch).The surname was spelled Allen which may be the reason why you did n't spot the entry for James.Also on the I.G.I. is the marriage of Isabel Duncan to James Talbert on 3 July 1832 in Drumblade. I note on your previous posts you have called his employer ( & brother in law) James Jalbert.Is this why you could n't trace the marriage?
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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flst
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From the information in the 1851 census I found that Isabella was born circa 1810 in Huntly. I found a couple in the I.G.I. - John Duncan & Janet Rainy/Rainey who had a daughter,Isabella christened on 17th May 1809 in Huntly.They'd several other children including Mary,born 14th June 1820 & christened 16th June in Cairnie,by Huntly.If you obtain the death certificates for Mary & Isabella they will confirm their parentage! Hopefully,I'm right.
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY, DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE, CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON, FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE, STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER,JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW,IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE,WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.
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MonicaLesl
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flst, I think you are on the right line. There is this entry showing in 1851:
Janet Duncan 74, annuitant, b. Drumblade, Aberdeenshire
Mary Allan/Duncan 29, general servant b. Crainey
James Allan 7, grandson b. Crainey
Janet Duncan 28 b. Glass, Banffshire...likely daughter in law
Mary Duncan 5 b. Crainey
Janet Duncan 3 b. Rothiemay, Banffshire
Walter L Duncan 1 b. Rothiemay, Banffshire
Helen Murray 13, servant
Address: Craigton, Cairney
I think I can see I think Mary and son James in 1861, after that no trace going by birth place on the searches:
James Allan, cattleman, 17 b. Cairney living at the Joss household at Budgate, Cawdor, Nairnshire and mother:
Mary Allan, 37, agr. lab. b. Cairney, living alone and still showing at Craigton, Cairney.
Roger, is it your tree on Ancestry? Quite extensive on Alexander and his descendents in Australia
Monica
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rdarby
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This is great! Thanks again. The information about James Jalbert/Talbert was interesting-that’s why I couldn’t find his marriage I guess. The name is definitely Jalbert, I have him in the 1841 census and I have his statement in the case against Alexander Allan. A simple spelling error goes a long way!
Yes I do have the family tree on Ancestry, but since posting it I have discovered that Alexander’s mother was Janet Smith, not Slessor. All the siblings shoe James Allan and Janet Smith. I also found a marriage between James Allan and Janet Smith in Grange, Banff 14/05/1807. I also found James death cert in 1870, Monquhitter and the informant was his son Walter.
Jame’s parents were William Allan, blacksmith and Janet Davidson.
The death for Janet (ms Smith) was also in Monquhitter , 1878 and the informant Walter again. Janet’s parents are named as William Smith and Helen Bruce , although it is difficult to read.
Seems Walter stayed close to his parents – I wonder what happened to him?
Roger
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ibi
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Initial capitals often lead to confusion due to old styles of handwriting and ideosyncratic hand writing.
This is my list to date of confusions picked up on register entries, OPRs, and census enumeration books.
L/S and the reverse
D/P and the reverse
I/J and the reverse
F/T and the reverse
J/T and the reverse
M/N/T and the reverse
H/K/F and the reverse
U/V and the reverse
M/W and the reverse
H/W and the reverse
R/P and the reverse
Q/L and the reverse
S/F and the reverse
I as G
P as G
G as Cr or Ci
As or Ar as Ch
Ag as Cl
Cl as A
St as H
ibi
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MonicaLesl
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What chance do we have sometimes ibi  Add to that a sprinkling of Ancestry mis-transcriptions and it's no wonder we struggle many a time!
Monica
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