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lesleychivers
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1851 Census Look Up Please Gateshead
« on: Saturday 31 October 09 02:40 UTC (UK) »

Could sks please do a look up for Robert Miller (born 1824)  and wife Jane living in Sherriff Hill.
Please let me know place of birth of Robert.

Thank You
Lesley
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Re: 1851 Census Look Up Please Gateshead
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 31 October 09 03:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lesley,


1851   HO107 Piece 2402 Folio 461 Page 47   
Sherriff Hill, Gateshead, Co. Durham

MILLER
Robert  head    26  House Carpenter   Acomb Northumberland
Jane     wife    23
Wm J     son   3
Jane      dau  10 months
all except Robert b. Gateshead, Co. Durham


and 1861 - as requested on your other post

RG9  Piece  3803  Folio  104  Page 38
22 Briscoe Street, Gateshead St. Mary's, Co. Durham
MILLER
Jane     head married 33 Seamstress
William J   son   13  Labourer at Engine Works
Jane      dau   10  Scholar
Robert      son     6
all born Gateshead

Not found Robert yet though in 1861

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Barbara
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Re: 1851 Census Look Up Please Gateshead
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 31 October 09 03:16 UTC (UK) »

Jane is still listed as married in 1871, still in Briscoe Street, with children Jane and Robert

Barbara  Undecided
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Re: 1851 Census Look Up Please Gateshead
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 31 October 09 15:23 UTC (UK) »

Thanks, this is interesting as I just heard from someone in New Zealand that claims this Robert Miller went to Australia in 1850's, married someone else and started new family.
I have not checked marriage certificate yet but have a marriage for Robert Miller and Jane Urwin 1847 in Gateshead Fell.
Have you access to 1841 census ? Is there another Robert Miller of the same age apart from the one I have in Duckham Place, Gateshead with mother Isabella and brother Mark. ?
Thanks for your help.

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Re: 1851 Census Look Up Please Gateshead
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 31 October 09 15:34 UTC (UK) »

Yes I have access, wil have a look for you  Smiley

If not sure you have the right Robert, may I ask which ancestor you're working back from?  One of the children's birth certs would give you mother's maiden name, that would confirm the marriage.

Do you have the family in later census, or is it the Robert in New Zealand you're looking for?
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Re: 1851 Census Look Up Please Gateshead
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 31 October 09 16:43 UTC (UK) »

I'm wondering if these Roberts are one and the same person.
Robert Miller is the brother of my G Grandfather x 3 George Miller 1819 born Acomb, Ntld married to Eleanor Dixon.
I am sure they are descended from John Miller 1782, Newbrough, wife Isabella Thompson.
I have good documentation for Roberts birth and sure it is him on the 1841 census.
Find him on 1851, couple of facts tally, place of birth and age and area they are living. so presume this is him.
I Look for marriage, find one 2nd qtr 1847 married a Jane Urwin. Did not send for certificate as this is a sideshoot so cannot confirm. That must be my next step to see if his father is John Miller.
Just curiosity really and to give info to this New Zealand researcher.
Lesley
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Re: 1851 Census Look Up Please Gateshead
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 31 October 09 16:45 UTC (UK) »

I must mention that I did have all this census info but didn't keep a copy of the originals, so needed to recheck. Let my Ancestry subscription expire.
Thanks
Lesley
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Re: 1851 Census Look Up Please Gateshead
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 31 October 09 17:06 UTC (UK) »

edit, just saw your last two replies after I had written this!


The Robert Miller you have in 1841 is an apprentice joiner, which fits, and was not born in the county of Durham, which also fits with the 1851 census

There are several other Robert Millers in Durham and Northumberland, roughly same age, but the only other one who is a joiner is aged 18 living in Tynemouth with a Simpson family

You could look at the parish records for Acomb to find his baptism, but you need to know if it's the right Robert first.

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Re: 1851 Census Look Up Please Gateshead
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 31 October 09 17:23 UTC (UK) »

Don't know if you have these baptisms, unfortunately they don't give mother's maiden surname, but the Bishops' Transcripts may have more details

Gateshead Fell      St. John

9 Apr 1848 William John Miller, of Sheriff Hill, born 13 Jan 1848, child of Robert Miller (joiner) & Jane
30 June 1850 Jane Miller, of Sheriff Hill, born 4 May 1850, child of Robert Miller (joiner) & Jane


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Re: 1851 Census Look Up Please Gateshead
« Reply #9 on: Friday 20 November 09 00:55 UTC (UK) »

I must thank you for your help and interest Ecneps.
Further to my last topic, I have had further e-mails from this researcher in New Zealand and he now thinks that we do not have a connection as he believes that my Robert Miller died in 1855. He doesn't say why he believes this apart from to state that now Jane is stating she is head of household. There are two deaths of a Robert Miller in 1855,the Dec one I found on Bishops Transcripts of Gateshead Fell was too old at 70 yrs. But have not been able to find transcript of the other in March.
Any ideas ? are there any MI sites or newspapers I could try.
Thanks again
Lesley
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