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Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« on: Saturday 31 October 09 06:58 UTC (UK) »
I believe they had 7 children. He was married to Isabella Harrower 1806-? He emigrated to Australia.. Looking for information  on his parents. His daughter Barbara, married in Sydney, Australia to Charles Brown abt 1855.
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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 31 October 09 10:25 UTC (UK) »
Hi Southern

In the 1841 Census entry for the family in Newburgh, Fife, Mathew shows as born outside the county of Fife. Wonder whether this could be his christening entry on IGI:

MATHEW SPEEDIE Christening: 22 DEC 1805 Abernethy, Perth
Parents: ALEXANDER SPEEDIE (mother's name not included on the entry)

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 31 October 09 10:50 UTC (UK) »
This 1851 entry corresponds with the 1841 household. Maybe father Matthew joined his children after 1851, can't see him in 1861 - spellings as transcribed:

Matthew Speedet 44, innkeeper b. Abernethy Perthshire
Mary Speedet 13, b. Newburgh
Alexander Speedet 11, b.Newburgh
Elizabeth George 32, servant

Address: Eastern Suburbs Comt Inn, Newburgh

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 01 November 09 06:31 UTC (UK) »
Wow that was quick! Thank you so much Monica!. Yes, it is the same person, I believe his father was Alexander (no details yet). He will not be in the Scottish 1861 census as he was residing in Australia then.

Once again, thank you for your help.

Glen. Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 01 November 09 12:09 UTC (UK) »
Glen, i looked on SP for you and found Mathew with some siblings!! assume they are the same family and 1 has the mothers name:

22/12/1805 Mathew    father: Alexander   Abernathy
11/2/1810   Janet                          "                 "
8/5/1814     Robert                       "                  "
14/3/1824   Jean                           "                 "
18/6/1826  Andrew                       "                 "
8/11/1828   James                 Alexander & Margaret Duff     Abernathy

seems to be a big gap 1814 - 1824 so possible he was married twice?Huh??

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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 01 November 09 12:17 UTC (UK) »
checked the other children on the igi but still only Alexander given as father. there is another janet chr 2/4/1844 to an Alexander Speedie & Mary Arnott, Abernathy but prob not your Alex!! must be a relation though i would think.

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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 01 November 09 13:07 UTC (UK) »
There is this possible family Diddy in 1841, with the names you have found - all showing as born outside the county:

Alex Speedy 60, farmer
Margaret Speedy 50
Marian Speedy 22
Alexander Speedy 20
Jane Speedy 17
Andrew Speedy 15
James Speedy 13
Wm Gaddie 20, ag. lab
Elizabeth Recher 30, servant

Address: Clatto Barns

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 01 November 09 13:13 UTC (UK) »
And the 1851 entry for this family - all showing as born in Abernethy Perthshire  Smiley:

Alexander Speedie 77, Farmer Of 240 Acres Employing 5 Labourers - 30 Acres Of Moor Land
Margaret Speedie 64
Alexander Speedie 30
Jane Speedie 26
Andrew Speedie 24
James Speedie 22
George Paterson 16

Address: Clatto Barns, Kettle Fife
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 01 November 09 13:16 UTC (UK) »
There is a last Will & Testament entry showing on SP at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk :

Alexander Speedie,   27/09/1853, TENANT IN CLATTO BARNS, PARISH OF KETTLE   
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 November 09 13:23 UTC (UK) »
Still on the hunt for Matthew's mother's name  Undecided

Diddy, I think this supports your suggestion of a possible second marriage for Alexander Speedie:

My Surname Duff is in my Grandmothers name:
Margaret Duff Speedie Born 1864 in Dunshalt, Fife,
Scotland.
I believe her parents to be James Speedie and Margaret
Suttie.

I believe James Speedie to be Alexander Speedie and
Margaret Duff They were married Dec.4, 1824

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.britisles.ireland.general/11955.1.2.1/mb.ashx

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 01 November 09 14:14 UTC (UK) »
Good hunting monica. I've just had to go pick up my daughter from Derby station as her train was cancelled!!

I can't find any marriages / deaths on SP but didn't think of the wills.

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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 01 November 09 14:41 UTC (UK) »
Fife death CD - do you have:

isabella Speedie  bur. nov 1837 newburgh  dsu of matthew Speedie & Isabel harrower

margaret Elizabeth Speedie wife of David neilson Bell,  dau of Matthew Speedie  bur 23/12/1845  Abdie.

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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 01 November 09 16:49 UTC (UK) »
Glad you managed to pick up your daughter Diddy  Smiley

Jury's is still out in my head whether Matthew's mother was or was not Margaret Duff  Undecided Conflicting info on-line. For example, daughter Marion who shows in 1841 at home with parents Alexander and Margaret (Duff). She was born c. 1816-18 and before the date of a possible marriage for Alexander and Margaret (Duff)  that showed on the other post (and that I cannot see on SP). From her death cert, Margaret Duff shows as mother:

Marion PETRIE (married to Robert PETRIE)
died 25th Sep 1889 11h0m PM at Dunshalt, Auchtermuchty aged 73 years
Father: Alexander SPEEDIE, Farmer, deceased
Mother: Margaret DUFF, deceased
Cause of death: Supposed Paralysis suddenly - no medical attendant
Informant: Robert PETRIE her widower (present)


http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCT-FIFE/2005-05/1117045022

Margaret Duff/Speedie looks to have died on 13 Aug 1872 in Kettle, Fifeshire. Parents given as Robert Duff and Barbara Scott www.bryan-martin.net/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I18593&tree=gam 

The names Barbara and Margaret feature in Matthew and Isabel (Harrower) children's names.

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 01 November 09 17:07 UTC (UK) »
A few more children showing potentially for Alexander (and Margaret Duff? but name not given):

From the list you showed Diddy:

22/12/1805 Mathew    father: Alexander   Abernathy
11/2/1810   Janet                          "                 "
8/5/1814     Robert                       "                  "
14/3/1824   Jean                           "                 "
18/6/1826  Andrew                       "                 "
8/11/1828   James

There is also showing in Abernathy OPRs:

BARBRA SPEEDIE Christening: 30 AUG 1807
MARGARET SPEEDIE Christening: 23 FEB 1812
ALEXANDER SPEEDIE  Christening: 13 JUL 1819

Missing the entry for Marion born c. 1816.

Roll Eyes Guessing game now with Scottish naming pattern and order:

Alexander - parents Matthew and Janet...maybe!
Margaret - Robert and Barbara...which fits with what we are seeing elsewhere

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Matthew Speedie 1805-1863
« Reply #14 on: Monday 02 November 09 02:52 UTC (UK) »
2nd or more marriages very possible. Forgot about this one - when Barbara arrived in Aus. the papers state mother deceased. not sure if she died in aus or scot will need to keep looking on this one.
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