ayrforce
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I am trying to locate the birth of my granda Hugh Boyle he married my grannie in 1901 when he was 19. It was in Glasgow at St Mungo,s church.
I can find info on my grannie but not on him as the Hugh Boyles Ive found on Scotlands people web site dont match,I know his parents names were .John Boyle and Maryanne boyle nee Gorman.
It could be he was born outside Scotland but I dont recall him or my mother saying that.Can anyone shed any light in this for me. My grannies name was Margaret or Maggie nee Crumlish. Thanks
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Ayrforce
Welcome to RootsChat 
What was the date of your grandparents' marriage? Just had a look at the 1901 census and can't see them together so thinking the may have married after the census date (31 Mar/1 Apr).
What was your granddad's occupation? Maybe we can find him alone or with family in 1901 to try and establish a possible birth place
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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There is this possible death showing for Hugh's mother on SP:
Mary Ann Gorman/Boyle, 85, Garngadhill, Glasgow - 1935.
Unfortunately with SP, you can't ever tell which is the maiden name or married name until you look.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Some possible census entries for you to check out:
1891:
John Boyle 49, paper seller b. Ireland
Mary Boyle 49 b. Ireland
Mary Boyle 19 b. Ireland
Jermiah Boyle 12 b. Ireland
Hugh Boyle 9, b. Glasgow
Address: 106 Garngad Rd, Dennistoun, Glasgow Townhead
1901:
Mary Boyle 50, b. ireland
Jeremiah Boyle 22, Iron Worker b. Ireland
Hugh Boyle 19, Labourer Glass Work b. Glasgow
Address: 63 Middleton Pl, Dennistoun, Glasgow Townhead
Monica
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ayrforce
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Thank you, Monica their wedding date was 15th JULY 1901,my grandad ,s occupation was boiler stoker.I will now look at your suggestions many thanks.
Although my mother say7 he was a "glass blower".
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MonicaLesl
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Glass blower would fit with him showing as working at a glass works in 1901 census. He may have changed occupations from there
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ayrforce
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Ive looked at the names you mentioned, the boyles in both census look likely,however Im puzzled at Mary Ann,s age from census to census she has seemingly only aged a year?
The Mary ann boyle nee gorman death you mentioned seems unlikley as it mentions her son,John Gorman ? Although the location seems correct but the age doesnt seem to match up with ages given in the census.Cheers.
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MonicaLesl
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Was the Mary Ann death showing her with a maiden name of Boyle and married name of Gorman?
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MonicaLesl
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What was the occupation given for Hugh's father John in his 1901 marriage entry? Did either parent show as deceased?
Monica
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ayrforce
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It states Mary Ann boyle formerly Gorman,also Hughs father on the marriage certificate says Railway Plater { deceased}
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MonicaLesl
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So, the death cert would fit for Mary Ann if her maiden name shows as Gorman, except for a son John Gorman reporting her death?
I think I found John Boyle's death entry on SP:
1895 - John Gorman, 50, general lab. husband of Mary Ann Gorman. Parents John and Mary (Gallacher). Mary Ann reported his death in Dennistoun.
Monica
Added: Address is 156 Garngad Road which would fit with where the family were living in 1891.
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MonicaLesl
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I think that I have also found Hugh's birth cert in 1881 in Dennistoun, with surnames not as you would expect. I've sent you a Private Message (PM). The message should come up as box or you can click on the PM service from the top of the page where it says: Welcome back, xxx you have xx messages, x are new.
Monica
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ayrforce
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Thank you again I couldnt have got here without your help,it looks like the certificates you mentioned are the answer I was looking for,although I was wondering what it says under Mary anns name in the birth certificate something,
; -----woman .
Its clear if I want to go further it is the Irish area I should be looking at,would you recommend joining ancestry as the way to go.Thank you again ever so much.
By the way I felt ever so sad reading the certificates. 
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MonicaLesl
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It is sad sometimes going back and seeing the reality of life of our ancestors isn't it.
I think the word under Mary Ann's name is her occupation, looks like cleanerwoman.
Ancestry is not great for Ireland or at least not in the way you can use it for the English/Welsh records and the Scottish census transcripts.
Why don't you ask for advice on the general Ireland board here on RC www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,50.0.html Useful to include a link to this post here for background. Also to add the names that you have for John Boyle and Mary Ann Gorman's parents from their death entries. It can be hard to start off on the Irish records if you don't at least have a County to start researching in but hopefully you can get some advice as to how to proceed.
The Jermiah Boyle (of maybe Gorman?) son might be worth trying to find the birth entry for. A more unusual name than some 
Monica
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