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Vasquez109
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Death to burial
« on: Sunday 01 November 09 00:08 UTC (UK) »

After trawling around lots of graveyards within the last few weeks, I have noticed that within a couple of days of death most people had been laid to rest. Why is it at least a week or more these days?
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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 01 November 09 00:28 UTC (UK) »

I've noticed that too.  Came to the conclusion that it's a combination of things.

More paperwork needed
More arrangements made - people to attend from further afield than before
More people to bury - larger populations by far.

Not too long ago it was always three days - it's got longer over the last 20 - 30 years I think.

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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 01 November 09 00:43 UTC (UK) »

my grandmother was cremated the next day after she died..!

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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 01 November 09 00:59 UTC (UK) »

I've noticed this.

I wondered if they didn't have the cold room storage rooms in those days and when it came into being at Undertakers.

A group of us were talking about Refridgeraters the other day, and I was suprised to hear that not many of the people had them in the mid/late fifties when they were children.

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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 01 November 09 08:41 UTC (UK) »

Agreed ... its the time it takes to get the death certificate and register the death; find and 'employ' an undertaker; book the church or crem;  find an officiant to take the funeral and for the family to meet with him/her to arrange what and how they want the service; arranging for flowers and letting family and friends know; getting service sheets printed; find and book somewhere for the 'wake' after  ... etc. etc.  !!  In the past the majority of this wasn't needed ... society has moved on and its how we do things these days, and it takes on average a week to arrange. 
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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 01 November 09 10:07 UTC (UK) »

Also maybe, the fact that fewer people are affiliated to a particular church to be buried in these days, so the council cemeteries (and crematoria) are used more than the smaller churchyards and therefore are under a larger workload and time constraints?  Undecided

In the old days you would be more likely to be buried in your local churchyard/chapelyard and would have a shorter wait for a timeslot.

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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 01 November 09 12:16 UTC (UK) »

I have just been reading a diary of early 19th Century parson from Somerset (called William Holland) and was surprised how often hs diary seems to almost refer to people just turing up with a body/ baby and expecting a burial/baptism.

He also mentions the difference between a private baptism if the baby was ill and not expected to live and a proper baptism with a healthy baby.  He even turns a baby away from the baptism as he though she was healthy enough to last.

It is fascinating reading if you want to know about how a country parsonage operated and also just the characters involved.  I seem to remember Kilverts Diary was like this as well.


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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 01 November 09 13:09 UTC (UK) »

Sounds interesting - I've just ordered it from Amazon.  Wink  For anyone else, it's called Paupers and Pig Killers: The Diary of William Holland, a Somerset Parson, 1799-1818.
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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 01 November 09 13:37 UTC (UK) »

As Bevbee says, it is mainly to do with council crematoria and cemeteries having so many people to deal with. 

When my father died, it was a week before there was a slot at the local crematorium, and my mother died at the start of a bank holiday weekend, so although she was in hospital, the junior doctor refused to issue a death certificate as he hadn't seen her before, so everything stopped until the following Tuesday when the docs who had seen her were back on the ward.  It was Wednesday before I could collect the paperwork to take to the funeral director and again another week before we got a slot at the crematorium.  So nearly 2 weeks in all.  I'm sure this must happen lots of times nowadays.
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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 November 09 14:46 UTC (UK) »

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Also maybe, the fact that fewer people are affiliated to a particular church to be buried in these days, so the council cemeteries (and crematoria) are used more than the smaller churchyards and therefore are under a larger workload and time constraints
Correct Grin I think in the near future council cemeteries and Cremations will have an even bigger workload .I was told a few weeks ago ,not by the council but someone who would know. That one of our main council cemeteries is now full,that means no more graves can be bought.The only way a person can be buried in this cemetery is if they have a family grave there.This might mean more cremations,so no burials records, unless the family register his death as cremated. Hope that makes sense to you :)A cremation should be logged like a burial.

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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 01 November 09 16:44 UTC (UK) »

I read with interest as my friend in Ireland says people get buried in days over there.   They find the UK's time delay shocking.

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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 01 November 09 18:28 UTC (UK) »

yes - here in Ireland it's usual to be brought to the church (if it's a religious ceremony) the day after death, and buried next morning.

of course, it may be later if there's an inquest, or if people have to travel from abroad.

I was amazed how delayed my aunt's burial was - She lived in Southwest England.

Celia - Glasnevin Cemetery in Dublin logs cremations, they can be found on their website upto 2008

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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 01 November 09 18:48 UTC (UK) »

My father died 28th November 1971, and was cremated on 1st December. My mother died on 5th January 2003 and was cremated on 15th Jaunary 2003. I know that the longer wait was much more trying than the short one, but there was really no alternative as the crematorium had been closed over Christmas and New Year, and there was a backlog to make up!Her death certificate was numbered 48/2003 so I assume there had been 47 deaths in the preceeding 4 days in Boston, a town of 30,000.Cold rooms at undertakers and mortuaries has a lot to do with the slower disposal. My grandmother died 23rd March 1901, and was buried on 27th March 4 days, which included a Coroner's inquest and a Sunday as she died saturday morning.
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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 01 November 09 21:58 UTC (UK) »

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This might mean more cremations,so no burials records, unless the family register his death as cremated. Hope that makes sense to you :)A cremation should be logged like a burial.

Celia

All crematoria, both municipal and private, keep detailed records in registers.

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Re: Death to burial
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 01 November 09 22:54 UTC (UK) »

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All crematoria, both municipal and private, keep detailed records in registers.

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Yes i am aware of that,but cremation records are only held at the cemetery/crematoria office.They are not on burial films or available anywhere else. The only way you can find out if a person was cremated means a visit to the cemetery/crematoria or maybe a phone call.If they have time to help,Thats why i say a person can be registered on the cemetery burials film.I see lots of them it has cremated remains in brackets.I think these are probably scattered on a grave belonging to family.My mother was cremated 4 years ago we had no family grave of our own, so we scattered mum ashes on her parents grave.Unfortunately i never realized till it was far to late that i hadn't had her death and cremation date put on the cemetery burials.Hopefully one day when the cremation record books are old enough,They will put on film like burial records.Then if a burial cant be be found people in the future can look on the cremated film.
It will happen one day Grin

Celia       P.S. we did have a nice stone  made for mum and put on her parents grave
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