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MontrealSA
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My grandmother, Elizabeth Bradley, emigrated with her siblings, Nellie, Ruby and Joseph, from England, around 1900. She was 12 at the time. I have searched many places but without success.  Can anyone help me to find out where to look and how? Thank you!!
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andarah
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Do you know where they left from and where they moved to?
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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I've tried a few things, but a bit more info would help.
Is Bradley the surname for all 4?
Do you know any other ages?
Have you found them in any England censuses?
Do you know whether they came directly to Canada. I didn't get a chance to check, but they may have come via the US. So far I've only checked arrivals in Canada.
Do you know if they all traveled together or did they come in bits and spurts over a couple years?
Do you know if Nellie is a nickname for something else?
Do you know who the oldest is? Did they all come as children without an adult?
Sorry for all the questions! I have tried quite a few places as well and not finding them. If you know any of this info, it might be useful.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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MontrealSA
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Thank you very much for your help!
Here is what I can tell you from the information I have (unfortunately not much):
I've tried a few things, but a bit more info would help.
Is Bradley the surname for all 4? Yes
Do you know any other ages? No ages are certain, but I think Ruby must have been younger than Elizabeth, because she married a Jim (James) Jordan after WWWI.
Have you found them in any England censuses? No so far.
Do you know whether they came directly to Canada. I didn't get a chance to check, but they may have come via the US. So far I've only checked arrivals in Canada. I think so. They left from Liverpool, and an uncle of mine says that they were born in Liverpool, but I am not sure about that. Later Nellie and Joseph (Joe) went to the US, but I don't know when and I don't know whether they were sent or they left later. Apparently they were involved in a bicyle shop in Upstate New York.
Do you know if they all traveled together or did they come in bits and spurts over a couple years? I am told Elizabeth said they were never separated. Apparently the four siblings stayed in a convent in Montreal for a while.
Do you know if Nellie is a nickname for something else? Probably Ellen (or Helen)
Do you know who the oldest is? Did they all come as children without an adult? They came as orphans. I don't know who the eldest was.
Sorry for all the questions! I have tried quite a few places as well and not finding them. If you know any of this info, it might be useful.
I was told that at around 16, Elizabeth was "sent into the world" (presumably from the convent) to work as a maid for a Montreal's lawyer's house. Ruby stayed in Montreal.
thank you again for your help.
Added : Elizabeth's birth day was a Feb. 22.
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andarah
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I found an Elizabeth Bradley (aged 15), Robina Bradley (aged 13) and Ellen Bradley (aged 12) in St Elizabeth's Institute in 1901 in Liverpool, England.
They were all born in Lanc, Liverpool.
Then I looked at the 1891 census for those name and found this:
Jospeh Bradley b. 1859 Warehouse Labourer
Robina Bradley b. 1861
Joseph Bradley b. 1895
Elizabeth Bradley b. 1886
Robina Bradley b. 1888
Ellen Bradley b. 1890 (the census transcript says Etter because the `R' in Robina loops down and crosses the `ll' in ellen, but it is clearly Ellen)
The lived in Toxteth Park.
All were born in Liverpool.
If you are correct that they came to Canada when Elizabeth was 12, then they would have come around 1898.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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Great find Karen!
I just looked as well, and Eliza is listed as Eliza Brady, but the age fits.
However, it says they came from Ireland, and the ship is the Tunisian.
I wonder where Joseph is. Unlike the institute that I found them in, this group of children was boys and girls. Joseph would have been 16, so maybe he was outside their reach for protecting children. I wonder if he came separately at the same time and met up with them.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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I cannot find them in Canada, but I did look up the Canadian Catholic Protective Agency that brought them over, and from what I read, I think the children from that ship went to Peterborough, Ontario.
Here's a link:
http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/ships3.html#1901
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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MontrealSA
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Thank you so much andarah and everyone. I does look like them all right! This is just amazing. I had looked in the BAC files and also in the 1891 census through "The Genealogist", but I am no expert.
So that means that Joseph was born in 1885 and not 1895 (that is 16 and not 6 years old)? Could he have been considered as an adult then? He would have certainly met up with them later on.
This is so encouraging!
Suzanne
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andarah
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Do you already have Ruby's wedding?
I have her on March 13, 1930 marrying James Jordan.
Her name is Ruby Mary, her father is Joseph and her mother is Ruby Wheeler. This supports the 1891 census that I found in England, but they were both called Robina there.
James' parents are Frank and Gertrude Gorvau?
They had to be granted a special dispensation for marriage because of mixed religions.
They were married at St Anthony of Padua in Montreal.
Do you know Elizabeth's husband's name? I assume he is your grandfather? Do you already have their wedding?
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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Thank you so much andarah and everyone. I does look like them all right! This is just amazing. I had looked in the BAC files and also in the 1891 census through "The Genealogist", but I am no expert. So that means that Joseph was born in 1885 and not 1895 (that is 16 and not 6 years old)? Could he have been considered as an adult then? He would have certainly met up with them later on. This is so encouraging! Suzanne
Yes! That was a typo on my part.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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MontrealSA
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Do you already have Ruby's wedding?
I have her on March 13, 1930 marrying James Jordan. Yes, definitely! I did not have a date or place, but he was James Jordan for sure.
Her name is Ruby Mary, her father is Joseph and her mother is Ruby Wheeler. This supports the 1891 census that I found in England, but they were both called Robina there. Indeed.
James' parents are Frank and Gertrude Gorvau?
They had to be granted a special dispensation for marriage because of mixed religions.
They were married at St Anthony of Padua in Montreal.
I don't know about Jim Jordan's parents at all. I was told he was a home child too. The church sounds right too, it is just a little south of Montreal (if it's the one I think it is).
Do you know Elizabeth's husband's name? I assume he is your grandfather? Do you already have their wedding? Francesco (Frank) Anfossi, b 1881 in Italy. He emigrated from England I think. I have no date for their wedding, maybe around 1908, as they had a first child (a baby girl who died at 3 months old - I have no date of birth or death) and then a son, b. in 1910 (who died in 1918).
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cosmac
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There is a marriage Sep 1880 West Derby 8b 918 for Joseph Bradley and Robina Wheler
Birth for Robina Gray Wheeler Mar 1860 West Derby 8b 293
On the 1871 British census in Liverpool there is Robina Wheeler, 12 b. Liverpool living with sister Annie, 17, b. Liverpool, bookkeeper and her married mother Elizabeth Wheeler, 45, born Edinborough Scotland. Father not present.
The 1881 census is slightly confusing. It shows a number of people living at 103 Park St. South Toxteth Liverpool
Robina and her husband Joseph, 22. b. Liverpool, Biscuit maker (baker) are shown related to Thomas and Miriam Baker or Barker both born North Wales. Joseph is shown as his son-in-law and yet directly below Robina is Margaret Walsh and then 54 year old Elizabeth Wheler born in Edinborough with her widowed actress daughter Elizabeth Ann L'estrange and Elizabeth's daughter. It might seem that the relationships were misinterpreted?
Debbie
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