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Topic: Carrolls and McCarrolls - somewhere to start... (Read 344 times)
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TF13
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Emain Macha
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jj,
no sign of Michael Joseph on the same ship as that Agnes but there are others that could be him in preceding arrivals.What was his date of birth and his occupation when he got married? I realise he might have changed occupations in the meantime but you never know.
Tony
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jj.carroll
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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 Thanks Tony
And I will answer here so that others can understand what the digging must be to find just a sliver of facts that we can build upon.
Michael Joseph McCarroll was born around 7 September 1879 (that comes from Baptismal Records at Clogher) to Owen McCarroll and Catherine, nee McCusker. The place of birth was the townland of Corkhill, Clogher Parish, County Tyrone. According to the civil births he was born on 9 October 1879.
Yes, there is a discrepancy (after all, he could not have been baptised before he was born). Because chronological order is the way that baptisms are recorded and one has to actually produce the baby to be christened, on the whole it is more likely that dates from those church records - at this time - were more accurate. It is possible, and in all probability, that his father Owen had failed to register the births of his children, or that he failed to do so at the proper time, he made up little white lies. Alternatively, he quite possibly did not recall the exact dates of their births (all of the children had such discrepancies).
His occupation is a mystery because we did not know what he was doing upon his return to Ireland. Having said that, he probably was a merchant or a publican because he was in later life. The record of his marriage does not indicate an occupation and we can only go on these preseumptions. While he became a publican and merchant there is only family lore to go upon as to where he got his money. It appears that he left the San Francisco area of America (and any manifest you might find will show most probably that he was an American citizen), after arriving first about 1867, sometime about 1912.
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Carroll, McCarroll, McCusker and McCosker from County Tyrone. Then there are Dillen for Derry, Gaffigan, McGaffigan, Crennan, and Amos. Now adding: Leonard, Berry, and Gahagan from Strokestown, County Roscommon, also Gahigan, Hounihan, and Whonohan and another branch of Carrolls from County Cork.
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TF13
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jj,
I couldn't find anything definite on michael joseph.There are too many variants that could be him but I wouldn't like to say.
There was one that I thought could have been him,for a few seconds anyway;Michael J. Carroll arrived Liverpool 30-dec-1908,saloonkeeper,irish citizen,aged 39. Your Michael would have been 29 in 1908 of course, so not him, but it would have been a tidy fit.He's there somewhere!
Tony
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jj.carroll
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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 Tony, the thing is, as I have often observed, it could very well be that this was the Michael Joseph Carroll, who was born McCarroll and was to become McCarroll again. There are just too many scriviner's errors in all of this search to discount it because there is a ten-year discrepancy in the age. After all - it was only one digit and it could be a transcriber's error.
Liverpool was a likely site to land, rather than Cobh, for the Irishman from Ulster, Many of them did because at that time there was a lot of traffic between that area (and Scotland) and Ulster, what with a lack of employment. Considerable traffic flowed between Liverpool and Moville and New York, not so much with Philadelphia which was on the Queenstown run. The problem is that there is a paucity of manifests available to look at, as well as the errors that have been made.
While it could be Mickey, the time lag is pretty great for a young lady to pine for her beau (12/1908 to 7/1912), but then who knows because  her father, John Gaffigan, was a bit off his tracks.
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Carroll, McCarroll, McCusker and McCosker from County Tyrone. Then there are Dillen for Derry, Gaffigan, McGaffigan, Crennan, and Amos. Now adding: Leonard, Berry, and Gahagan from Strokestown, County Roscommon, also Gahigan, Hounihan, and Whonohan and another branch of Carrolls from County Cork.
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