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Maccaroo
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People I am researching.......
« on: Sunday 01 November 09 10:02 UTC (UK) »

Hi

I am a newbie to this site and this is my first post Smiley

Some names I am researching and their spouses!

Emily Chance born in Eardisley 1878 married James Jones in Feb 1907 in Brecon, my maternal great grandparents!

On the Wedding Certificate Emily is aged 25, making her born in 1882, but the only Emily I have ever come across is the one above, so am presuming she didn't want her husband to know she was almost 30 when she got married........  In the 1881 and 1891 census she lived with her parents and siblings in Hicks Hill Welson, does this place still exist? 

Emily Chance's mother was Frances Griffiths, b Little Dewchurch 1840 d Kington 1918 married Thomas Chance b Eardisley 1833 d Infirmary Hereford 1895.

I moved to Australia with my husband and children 12 years ago and my hubby and I are coming back for a short visit in March and want to do some history resesarch whilst I am there, instead of doing everything online!   Wink

I think what I am asking for if it makes sence is specific places that I could visit, church where their Christening records/marriages etc took place or perhaps where there gravestones (if any) are, or school records etc.

Any infor or help would be gratefully recieved, thanks in advance for any help!




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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 01 November 09 16:11 UTC (UK) »

Hi Maccaroo

Welcome to Rootschat

Have you seen the following site, which has local register indexes and it is worth getting in touch via email as they are very helpful as to where you can find out more and they may have the information you seek.

We have just stayed near Kington on a familly history trip and the documents you seek could be in Worcester or Hereford. We found out a fair amount in Bromyard as my family came from around there and they do have some outlying district information.

http://www.bromyardhistorysociety.org.uk/

Welson is part of Eardisley  [not sure about Hicks Hill as it doesn't come up on Google Earth] & Little Dewchurch is south east about 20 miles from Eardisley.


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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 01 November 09 20:33 UTC (UK) »

Welson does indeed exist, and Kington History Society may have some information on them.  They are based at the Kington Centre.
There are also recent 2 books about Eardisley houses and people in the past which are useful.



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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 01 November 09 21:07 UTC (UK) »

I can only see the Baptism of a couple of the children to Thomas and Fanny [sic] Chance at Eardisley. 
Thomas and Frances were married in Hereford in June 1865, so I wonder if there were any older children than Thomas Jr who was 11 on the 1881 Census.  Do you have Birth and Marriage Certificates for them all ?
The Marriage Certificate would identify which Church in Hereford they were married in as well as both their fathers names .
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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 November 09 09:45 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Wendy for the Bromyard Site, had a quick glance it looks good, will save that for the weekend Smiley

Puffcat, I believe that Frances had a child out of wedlock, Henry Griffiths on the 1881 census he is Henry Grofolthe Chance, but on magnifiying the census am pretty sure it is Griffiths, on th IGI site have found a christening for a Henry Griffiths - no father mentioned and mother was Frances but don't know the church of the Christening, St Martins will definitley be worth a visit though, Kingston History Society, didn't know about that one, have just joined the Hereford Family History Society, looks like there is another one for me to join Grin       Thanks for your help
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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #5 on: Monday 02 November 09 09:48 UTC (UK) »

Maccaroo
The age of 25 on the marriage certificate doesn't necessiarly mean they were aged 25 just of aged 25 or above i.e. of full age to marry

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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #6 on: Monday 02 November 09 12:17 UTC (UK) »

Where is Henry on the 1881 Census, he does not seem to be at home with his family. ?

It was Thomas aged 11 I was not finding when I looked on the IGI and the Hugh Wallis Index. 
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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 09:20 UTC (UK) »

I too am missing Henry on the 1881 census, but I believe I may have found him in Wales in 1901 and 1911, everything seems to fit, so have put that against Henry on my family tree for now, pending further investigating.   Thomas jnr is Frederick Thomas in the 1871 census and Thomas in the 1881 census, the only birth that seems to be around the same time is a Frederick Chance and not a Frederick T Chance or Frederick Thomas Chance, so not convinced that he is the right one so I am still looking!  I would have thought he would be at least Frederick T on the listing, but Frederick Chance is the only one I can find on Free bmd and ancestry, but why would he be Thomas in the later census if he didn't have a middle name at birth unless he was Christened Frederick Thomas?  But I can't find a christening for him either, so that is something else to go on my ever growing list for looking up when we come over in March!
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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 10:00 UTC (UK) »

The only Frederick born in Herefordshire that would fit is born in 1870 in Hereford. 
To confirm him as part of your family you need his Birth Certificate from the Hereford Register Office, Town Hall, Hereford HR1 2PJ or 01432 260565 and order by phone.
There is also a Jane Chance born in 1866 who could be their child. If you ask for only Certificates where the Father is Thomas and the Mother Fanny or Frances you will be saved the expense of paying for one that is not relevant to your family.
As they were married in Hereford perhaps they spent a while there before moving to Eardisley and having the other 4 children.

What year was Henry Griffiths born in ?  Do you have the family in 1871 and where were they living ?
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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 10:09 UTC (UK) »

Jane could certainly be their child as on the 1881 Census she is aged 15 and a Servant in the Home of Henry Davies, Calvinistic Methodist Minister and his family who were living at the Great Oak Chapel in Eardisley.
Great Oak is near to Welson, and there was a School there in the C19th, and I believe some School Records are in the Records Office in Hereford for Great Oak School.
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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 November 09 06:26 UTC (UK) »

hi Puffcat

Henry was born in 1864, christened on 20 March 1864 according to the IGI index, his mother was named Frances but no mention of the father.

I found the family in 1871, he is named as Henry Grolpthe Chance, but looking at the census with the magnifing glass am pretty sure it should be Henry Griffiths Chance - using the name of his stepfather, all censuses after this date that I have found after that he is under Griffiths.  Lived in The Fields Eardisley.  I haven't found him in the 1881 census or 1891 census, in the two later ones 1901/1911 he is in Wales.
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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 08 November 09 09:29 UTC (UK) »

OK can see him, born Dewchurch .
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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #12 on: Monday 16 November 09 21:53 UTC (UK) »

 hello Macaroo - i believe we have communicated before on a different forum
About emmily Chance and James jones . Our ancestors definetly knew each other  if yours were involoved with great oak chapel my great great aunts taught there and my great X4  grandfather would have preached there as a minister as he had the brilley circuit. Great oak chapel records i beliece are kept in  Leominster - or they were when i enquired about them  so please ring and check  with Hereford record office. also Hicks Hill is a cottage on the Welson road  just after the junction to a road called the rest road which goes to Brilley  both are unclassified roads.  from my own recollection ( friend used to live there it) may have once been two cottages
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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #13 on: Monday 16 November 09 22:12 UTC (UK) »

I'm sure you would find a visit to the Hereford Record Office worthwhile ... its in Harold Street, Hereford ...


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Re: People I am researching.......
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 17 November 09 09:22 UTC (UK) »

Glad to hear that hicks hill is a cottage still ,will try and look it up and take some photos of it, when we come over in March, makes the tree a bit more interesting!  Am going to email the Hereford Office and see what records they have that might be useful to me.  I will probably only be able to spend 1 day in the Hereford area and 1 day in South Wales, hence the reason I want to know which places are the best places to go before I get there, think they may be very long days there thanks for your help  Wink
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