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HARVARD or HAWARD
« on: Sunday 01 November 09 18:27 UTC (UK) »
I am stuck with my great-grandmother Elizabeth (Harvard/Haward) or similar sounding surname possibly from the Isle Abbotts area.
According to the 1881-1911 census papers her birthdate should be about 1854-5.
She married Arthur Mear in 1878 at Isle Abbotts, Somerset and I would like to identify:
1. Her parents to progress further back.
2. When she died

Many thanks
Graham
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Re: Harvard or Haward
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 01 November 09 19:06 UTC (UK) »
Hi Graham,

1871 census
RG10/2400 14 6
Isle Abbots, Somerset
Pt Stills
Ann Harvard, head, wid, 45, Glover, b. Devon Milverton
Elizabeth, dau, 16, Glover, b. Somerset Isle Abbots
Charles, son, 14, Ag lab, b. do.
Susan, dau, 4, b. do.

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Re: Harvard or Haward
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 01 November 09 19:10 UTC (UK) »
1861
RG9/1632 36 11
Isle Abbotts, Somerset
Ann Harvard, head, wid, 36, Gloce Maker, b. Devon Little **ford
John, son, 11, Plow Boy, b. Isle Abbotts
Elizabeth, dau, 6, b. do.
Charles, son, 4, b. do.
Mary Rea, lodger, unm, 28, Glove Maker, b. Somerset Ilton
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Re: Harvard or Haward
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 01 November 09 19:12 UTC (UK) »
1851 shows Ann's husband  Smiley

1851
HO107/1926 619 5
Isle Abbotts, Somerset
Badbury
Simeon Harvard, head, 26, Ag Lab, b. Isle Abbotts
Ann, wife, 27, birthplace not known
John, son, 1, b. Isle Abbotts
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Re: Harvard or Haward
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 01 November 09 19:29 UTC (UK) »

Marriage

Simeon Harvard with Ann Fouracres   Sept Q 1846  Langport 10 635

Hope I am not butting in, Tati  Kiss Kiss

Geoff
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   Moxham: Monkton Farleigh, Wilts
   Sexton:Cork,Ireland, New York
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Re: Harvard or Haward
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 01 November 09 19:35 UTC (UK) »
Au contraire, Geoff. Always delighted to meet you  Cheesy

I wonder if this could be Simeon's death

Simeon Harvey
Jun 1857 Langport 5c 315
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Re: Harvard or Haward
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 01 November 09 19:47 UTC (UK) »
Hi Guys!
I already had a Simeon in my tree database but with a surname of Haward, so never connected them. I remember mother saying that Fouracres was in "the  family" somewhere, so now I can link them up.

Strangely though I had Simeon's children as Elizabeth, two Henry's, John, Thomas and Charles and a father George.  Have I got mixed up with another family here, or have I uncovered something extra?

I still can't identify Elizabeth's death entry though. Some possibles, but dates don't match. March 1926 best so far?

Thanks for your help
Graham
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Re: Harvard or Haward
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 01 November 09 19:54 UTC (UK) »

Going backwards there is a submitted entry on the IGI for Ann FOURACRE

 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bq/   

Geoff
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   Peirce/Pierce/Pearce: Hungerford,Berks/Burbage Wilts.              
   Moxham: Monkton Farleigh, Wilts
   Sexton:Cork,Ireland, New York
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Re: Harvard or Haward
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 01 November 09 20:00 UTC (UK) »

Your death in 1926 looks the most likely even if the age of 73 does not match exactly.

Geoff
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   Peirce/Pierce/Pearce: Hungerford,Berks/Burbage Wilts.              
   Moxham: Monkton Farleigh, Wilts
   Sexton:Cork,Ireland, New York
GeoffP
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Re: Harvard or Haward
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 November 09 20:10 UTC (UK) »
Sorry Graham the IGI link did not work but if you enter Simeon Harvard on the LDS site it will give you details including Ann Fouracre.

Geoff
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   Peirce/Pierce/Pearce: Hungerford,Berks/Burbage Wilts.              
   Moxham: Monkton Farleigh, Wilts
   Sexton:Cork,Ireland, New York
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Re: HARVARD or HAWARD
« Reply #10 on: Monday 02 November 09 12:08 UTC (UK) »
Thanks again!
Frantically trying to update my database, however now uncovered another problem:
Simeon appears to have a sister Ann (b1830) who had a daughter Elizabeth also b1855.
Are there two Elizabeth's born the same year?  How can I determine which is mine?
The only difference I can see is one was born in Curry Mallet and the other in Isle Abbotts, although they both lived in Isle Abbots at the same time.
I'm confused - can anyone decipher for me please?
1861 census ref: RG9/1632 refers.
Can anyone find the unmarried Ann and daur Elizabeth in the 1871 census?
Many thanks
Confused  Huh
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Re: HARVARD or HAWARD
« Reply #11 on: Monday 02 November 09 13:52 UTC (UK) »

I see your complication. You have 2 Elizabeth Harvard's born the same year and both married in the same year.
Elizabeth dau of Ann married in March 1878 to Frank Harwood. Langport 5c 567.

I am not sure what to suggest. You did mention Simeon and  Fouracre in one of your postings so I would assume they were the correct parents. However you need to trace the families down until you arrive at a known ancestor.
I did find Ann and Elizabeth  in 1871 plus other children but Ancestry is playing up at the moment.

Geoff
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   Peirce/Pierce/Pearce: Hungerford,Berks/Burbage Wilts.              
   Moxham: Monkton Farleigh, Wilts
   Sexton:Cork,Ireland, New York
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Re: HARVARD or HAWARD
« Reply #12 on: Monday 02 November 09 14:22 UTC (UK) »

The 1871 was the same as Tati found in posting no 1.

In the 1861 Census there is

RG9/1632 F35 p10

Curry Mallett

George Harvard Head M 67  Ag Lab pauper     b Isle Abbots
Mary        "         Wife  M 60  former Farm Servant b Curry Mallett   Blind 8 years

And in the next family

Ann Harvard Head U 30  Glover                       b Curry Mallett
Elizabeth "    dau        6                                   b   "         "

I am confused. Au secours Tati svp.
Geoff
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   Peirce/Pierce/Pearce: Hungerford,Berks/Burbage Wilts.              
   Moxham: Monkton Farleigh, Wilts
   Sexton:Cork,Ireland, New York
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Re: HARVARD or HAWARD
« Reply #13 on: Monday 02 November 09 14:54 UTC (UK) »
I'm with Geoff

Quote from: GeoffP on Monday 02 November 09 13:52 UTC (UK)
You did mention Simeon and  Fouracre in one of your postings so I would assume they were the correct parents.

Also, the other Elizabeth was born elsewhere, and Arthur Mear's wife consistently says she was born Isle Abbotts.   

I had a quick look for 'unmarried' Ann and daughter Elizabeth but didn't see a match. There's a marriage for an Ann Harvard in 1863 (if I remember correctly), Langport district, but one groom is missing from the page unfortunately  Sad
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