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AMBLY
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Hi Lorraine
http://www.ellisisland.org/
In 1920, when he arrived in NY on the SS CHIPANA as a crew member: he was age 48, British, (and 5'5" tall)
This manifest is 'minimal' information wise.
In 1917, when he arrived in NY on the SS St Paul, there is much more information.
He travelled as a Passenger.
Age 46, Occupation: Chef, Nationality: British
Last Residence : London
Contact in England: Wife, Mary Kate LANGMAID, 24 Hilmorie Road, Forest Hill, London
Heading for Oregon, to SS War Leopard.
Passage paid for by British Government (his entry is stamped "Diplomat" - as are the entries for the other men travelling with him who are also going to join the SS "War Leopard").
He has 4 GBP with him and had been to the US before, 15 years (ago, I think? or maybe means during the past 15 years) "to New York etc".
He is 5', 5" tall, fair of complexion & hair, gray eyes,
Born London, England
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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This is probably his FreeBMD marriage:
Richard Thomas LANGMAID
Kate Mary RIBBANS
on same page - Dec Qtr 1900, Ipswich - 4a, 1787
Cheers
AMBLY
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lorroy
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Hi Ambly,
Thank you for this information. I don't believe Richard can be a part of my family History as I have no knowledge of having a Diplomatic in the family and it seems he travels back and forth to the USA you have been a great help. Many thanks.
Lorraine
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Valda
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Hi
The 1901 census gives 284 Langmaids in England (98 born Cornwall) and 39 in Wales (2 born Cornwall).
Are you trying to connect all these Langmaids for a one name study or do you think there may be a direct connection to your tree and this particular Richard Langmaid?
Is there a known London connection with this man or would it be better for me to move this post to this board where there will be experts who have a particular interest in these records?
Immigrants & Emigrants - General
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You can view the full records for Ellis Island on their website
http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/
The records themselves should give the man's age and his address.
On the 1891 census there is a Richard Langmaid in Pobruan Cornwall who was a mariner. He might be worth investigating further as a possible candidate.
Regards
Valda
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AMBLY
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Hi Lorraine
I wouldn't say he was a "Diplomat" neccesarily - the Ellis Island official has stamped the entry, possibly to denote the group of men travelling were on some kind of official passage and the "Diplomat"stamp was the nearest best description. The war was still on - it could have been something to do with that.
I certainley wouldn't discount him not been part of you wider Langmaid tree based on what is known so far.
Cheers
AMBLY
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lorroy
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Hi Valda,
The Richard Langmaid I am researching is from Cornwall. There is no connection with London at all. I believe I was on the wrong track altogether. I will now concentrate on Herbert John Langmaid whom I know went to N.Y in 1913 after jumping ship.
Many thanks
Lorroy
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lorroy
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Thank you Ambly,
I will still keep Richard in mind and see if he pops up anywhere else while researching. I think I may have picked up a wrong thread and I went down the wrong road. I am going to research another family member and see what happens.
Lorroy
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AMBLY
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Hi Lorraine
I think Richard is definitely a born Cornishman, despite the 1917 manifest saying otherwise.....I'll leave you with the following, perhaps it fits for you somewhere:
Richard LANGMAID of the manifest 1917, gave wife as Mary Kate.
Likely marriage has bride as : Kate Mary RIBBANS.........
Her Birth: Kate Mary RIBBANS - Mar Qtr 1869, Ipswich
1911 Census index in Solihull, Warwickshire is a family:
http://www.1911census.co.uk/
Richard LANGMAID 39, b Cornwall abt 1872
Kate LANGMAID 40, born Ipswich abt 1871
Vida LANGMAID 8
Rosa LANGMAID 5
Hilda LANGMAID 31
Birth of daughter 1: Vida Kate LANGMAID
West Ham - Jun Qtr 1903
Birth of daughter 2: Rosie Irene LANGMAID
West Ham - Sep Qtr 1905
Birth of (sister?) : Hilda Eugine LANGMAID
Liskeard - Mar Qtr 1881
The only Richard Thomas LANGMAID b abt 1871/72 I can find is:
Birth - Sep Qtr 1871 Liskeard
It's possible the 1917 manifest errs in saying that Richard LANGMAID was born in London.
Perhaps someone, for the sake of expediency or in error simply wrote his place of residence instead of his pob.... since the following looks like him to me, with a sister named Hilda Eugine:
1881: East Street - Pobruan, Lanteglos-By-Fowey, Liskeard, Cornwall
RG11 / Piece: 2288 / Folio: 92 / Page: 16
Head: William H LANGMAID 41, Mariner, b ----? Cornwall
Wife: Emily LANGMAID 40, b Pobruan, Cornwall
Dau: Emily A M LANGMAID, 14, Scholar, b Pobruan, Cornwall
Son: Richard T LANGMAID, 9, Scholar, b, b Pobruan, Cornwall
Dau: Rosa J S LANGMAID 7, b Pobruan, Cornwall
Dau: Hilda E LANGMAID 2 months, b Pobruan, Cornwall
1891: 6 Moss Terrace, East Street - Pobruan, Lanteglos-By-Fowey, Liskeard, Cornwall
RG12 / Piece: 1813 / Folio 84 / Page 19
Head: Mary Sarah PEARD 30, married, Mariners Wife,
Son: James Henry KIRBY 10, Scholar,
Dau: Lilian Mary KIRBY 9, Scholar,
Son: William John PEARD 1,
Brother: Richard T LANGMAID 19, single, Mariner
Sister: Rosa Jane LANGMAID 13, Scholar,
Sister: Hilda Eugine LANGMAID 10, Scholar
ALL listed as born Pobruan
1901: 77 Central Pk Road, East Ham, Essex
RG13 / Piece: 1606 / Folio: 8 / Page: 8
Head: Kate LANGMAID 31, married, b Ipswich Suffolk
The reg district for East Ham is: West Ham
and husband is here:
1901: Crew List of Vessel "Kinnaird"
Teignmouth Harbour, Newton Abbot, Devon
RG13 / Piece: 2048 / Folio: 113
CREW: Richard LANGMAID 33, married, Mate, b Polperra, Cornwall
(there are only 5 crew in total - the Master & Mate, an Able Seaman, a Cook and a Carpenter).
Cheers
AMBLY
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Valda
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Hi Lorraine
Do you want me to move this topic to the main Cornwall board, or move it to completed on the London and Middlesex board?
Regards
Valda
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lorroy
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Hi Valda,
Would you please move this topic to the completed board. Thank you for all the information you have given me about Richard Langmaid, it is fascinating reading and I think he does fit in somewhere, it will be fun trying to work it all out.
Lorroy
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JDC
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Hi Lorriane,
I too have Cornnish Langmaids ancestors, in my paternal lines, and have hit a brickwall. Mine is with Susanna Langmaid (unknown maiden name) and her husband John. I am wondering if our Langmaid lines are mixed? When their son Samuel married Eliza Couch, according to their marriage reg John was a mariner. Samuel's marriage in 1844 took place in St Austell, Cornwall. I believe that Sam, Susanna and John lived in the Fowey or Lanteglos Cornwall area. I do not have any confirmation of their births however I think Sam was born in 1816, Susanna abt 1800, and John born in the late 1790s. Susanna died in Portsea in the mid 1850s. I do not know what became of John Langmaid - the only reference I have of him is on Sam's marriage reg. Samual and Eliza's family is listed in the 1851 Portsea census with his mom (dad not there) and by the 1870s the family menbers are in Canada with a few moving on to the USA.
I don't know if Sam had any siblings or not, similarly for Susanna and John Langmaid. If you (through your family tree) or anyone else can help me with this brick wall it would be certainly very much appreciated, thx.
JDC.
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Carpenter - B'ham Warwick, Cole - Devon, Langmaid - Cornwall & Hants, Rayment - Herts & Holt - ? England
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lorroy
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Hi JDC
I have searched all through my Family Tree, but unfortunately I cannot find any reference to either a Susanna or Samuel. Of the two John Langmaid's in Cornwall one was married to a Mary Broad in 1818 and he was a carpenter, and the other was married to Mary Thomas in 1791.
I hope you are able to find the information you are searching for, I'm sorry I can't help.
Lorroy
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