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andarah
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I just don't know how to proceed. I would love any/all advice.
This is everything I know about these people (it's not a lot):
Robert George (I have read St George in many places and think that may be the correct name) married to Catherine Fortune.
They have 3 children, born in Newfoundland (don't know where):
Julia 1877 - 1931
Catherine
Thomas
I do not know their birth order.
Robert was born in Conception Bay, abt 1827, and he died in Harbour Grace, 13 Apr 1902.
I also know that Julia moved to Montreal at some point, married John W Harrold on Aug 18, 1898.
I have Julia in 1901 in Montreal; in Port Wsahington, Wisconsin in 1905; and Hochelaga, QC in 1911.
Julia had 10 children: Irena (Irene) Elizabeth, Robert James, John William, Edward J, Evelyn Florina, Frederick (my grandfather), George Patrick, Thomas Walter, twin A and twin B (twins died at birth).
I know that Thomas must have had a daughter named Mary because one of Julia's children has a cousin, Mary St George, as a godmother. Of course, Robert and Catherine could have had another son that I don't know about it.
I have most of the birth records for Julia's children, and I have the marriage record for John Harrold and Julia St George.
I also have a lot of information on John Harrold and don't need help with him.
This is everything that I know about the Georges/St Georges.
Does anyone have any help for me? Please!
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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vbain
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Hello:
I looked through the Censuses of Canada:
automatedgenealogy.com
This is easy to use and has several censuses.
This morning, I realised that Newfoundland was not part of Canada until 1949!
I did persevere with the Atlantic provinces. There were some Georges but none that looked right to me.
I think you might try Newfoundland Genweb.
They may have more information, or may be able to hold those records.
Newfoundland was settled shortly after Columbus had been around.
The Fishermen (mostly from Dorset and Somerset) went to fish in the summer, and were supposed to go back to England in the fall.
It was a long way!
Many of them stayed over the winter and subsisted on sigh and seals.
To stay out of trouble, many of them changed their names.
This will not be the case of your family.
Schooling until very recently was divided between "protestant" or "Catholic".
St John is the Capital.
I hope this helps.
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andarah
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Thank you!
The fact that Newfoundland is not part of the 1911 and 1901 census is part of my frustration.
Thanks for checking the other maritime provinces! Given the fact that Julia traveled back and forth from the US, makes me think that her parents may have as well. I'm going to look at Maine and nearby states.
I did not know about those 2 sites. I'll check them out.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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Posts: 108
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Thanks! It looks difficult to wade through, but I am grateful for a direction to move in. It's a big help.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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vbain
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I think if you google "Newfoundland Genweb", or "Newfoundland historical society" or "Newfoundland Genealogival Society"
You will find lots of sites.
I just found a bunch on the Resources pages.
Nfld was not part of Canada until 1949, and I am not sure whern records were kept
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J.J.
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There are many resources listed in RC resources...using one of them I found this:
http://ngb.chebucto.org/Vstats/vs-v47-rc-bap-1-car-1870-1891.shtml
Thomas GEORGE, b May 21 1873, parents Robert & Catherine
Place: Carbonear
baptized May 22 1873
occ. of father: fishing
a note included should help you a lot:
A Robert George & Catherine Fortune were married 1853 Carb RC.
Julia Frances GEORGE parents Robert & Catherine
b Nov 9 1876 Carb. Pr.
baptized Nov 10 1876
Note: May be nee Fortune, if same couple who married 1853 Carb RC.
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May be related...perhaps brothers and cousins? all fishing as well...also several Fortunes listed on page
John GEORGE / b. May 22, 1870 -Trinity Bay -Carb. Pr. / baptized May 28 1870 / parents Thomas & Catherine
Stephen GEORGE / b. Jan 20, 1872 -Carbonear / baptized Jan 23 1872 / parents Thomas & Catherine
William GEORGE / b. June 2, 1873 - Carbonear / baptized June 3 1873 / parents Thomas & Catherine
Joannah GEORGE /b. Jan 5, 1876 -Carbonear /baptized. Jan 6, 1876 / parents Thomas & Catherine
Henry GEORGE / b. Nov 6 1876 - Carb. Pr. / baptized. Nov 8, 1876 / parents Thomas & Catherine
Anthony GEORGE / b. Oct 25, 1878 - Carb. Pr. / bap Oct 26, 1878 / parents Thomas & Catherine
Luke GEORGE / b. Nov 20, 1870 -Carbonear / bapt. Nov 22, 1870 / parents Thomas & Agnes
William GEORGE / b. Oct ? 1874 -Carb. Pr. / bapt. Oct ? 1874 / parents Thomas & Agnes
James GEORGE / b. Jan 24, 1872 -Carb. Pr. / bapt. Jan 25 1872 / parents Thomas & Mary Anne
Terence GEORGE / b. Oct. 13, 1875 -Carbonear / bapt. Oct 14 1875 / parents Thomas & Mary Anne
Catherine GEORGE / b. Nov 14, 1878 -Carb. Pr. / bapt. Nov 15 1878 / parents Thomas & Mary Anne
William GEORGE / b. May 8, 1871 -Carbonear / bapt. May 10, 1871 / parents Henry & Emma
James GEORGE / b Nov 12, 1872 -Carbonear / bapt. Nov 15, 1872 / parents Henry & Emma
Joseph GEORGE / b. Jan 21, 1875 - Carb. Pr. / bapt. Jan 23, 1875 / parents Henry & Emma
Mary GEORGE / b. Nov 5, 1876 -Carb. Pr /bapt. Nov 8, 1876 / parents Henry & Emma
Agnes GEORGE / b. Oct 21, 1878 -Carb. Pr. /bapt. Oct 26, 1878 / parents Henry & Emma
William GEORGE / b. May 26, 1874 - New Perlican, Carb. Pr. / bapt. May 28, 1874 / parents Daniel & Agnes
oh, well, now that I've started
Joseph GEORGE / b. Jan 20, 1875 -Carb. Pr. / bapt. Jan 23, 1875 / parents John & Lucy
Aloysius Ann GEORGE / b. Apr 9 1878 -Carbonear / bap Apr 10 1878 / parents John & Margaret
Ellen GEORGE / b. Jan 19, 1875 -Carb. Pr. / bapt. Jan 23, 1875 / parents Matthew & Teresa
Margaret GEORGE / b. Nov 5, 1876 Carb. Pr. bap Nov 8, 1876 / parents Matthew & Teresa
John GEORGE / b. May __ 1877 - Carbonear /bapt. May __ 1877 / parents Richard & Bridget
Thomas GEORGE / b Nov 25 1877 - Carb. Pr. / bap Nov 27 1877 / parent James & Ellen
Jane GEORGE no info given bap Nov 24 1875
Oh, good grief, more on here, but no Catherine that I can see ...for your parents, anyway...
http://ngb.chebucto.org/Vstats/vs-v47-rc-bap-2-car-1870-1891.shtml
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J.J.
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Not listed yet in 1871...Just 2 Thomases and a Richard...so are they not there yet, or missed an entry?
http://ngb.chebucto.org/L1871/71-carbon.shtml also one Fortune, a Matthew
here's that Marriage..so they were definitely there...  St. Patrick's Roman Catholic Church
George, Robert & Fortune, Catherine / 1853-06-13 / Robert Clarke & Susan Butler / Rev. J. Dalton
http://ngb.chebucto.org/Parish/st-pats-rc-mar-1850-1899-car.shtml
On page, may be his sister...note her name?
Kennedy , Edward & George, Juliana / 1850-06-05 /Robert George & Maria McCarthy / Rev. J. Dalton
and
George, James & Kennedy, Fanny / 1852-11-27 / Robert George & Mary Kennedy / "
Clarke, Robert & Fortune , Mary / 1854-12-01 / Robert George & Mary Kinsella / "
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andarah
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What the heck?!?! 
JJ, you are amazing! Wow!
I have something to go on now.
Thank you so, so, so much!
I am in awe. I bow down at your feet.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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I've gone through all of both pages.
I have all the Fortune and George births, and it includes 12 families. I did not record the children yet with Fortune mothers, as the last names are all different and more difficult.
I have all the Fortune and George marriages, including 10 of the above families.
I only have 2 deaths, and they are not any of the people that are in those families, that i can find, unless the information is wrong because I have one that is a somewhat reasonably close match.
It's interesting to have it laid out this way because I am seeing all the interconnectedness of the same people . However, I still don't know how the various people come together as cousins or siblings.
I find it interesting that only 1 George is in the business directory. I wonder if they worked as a group and pooled resources, and that's why they were only listed under one name. The name in the business directory is also the same name as from the 1835 voter's list. I don't know if it's the same person, but interesting.
I have tried to find Tantamarant on a map, and according to google, it doesn't exist. Crocker's Cove is a considerable distance away, but considering that Robert George was born in Conception Bay (isn't that an aptly named place to be born in? ), which is far closer, one of them could be Robert's father.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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The idea of people being named after the place they lived (or vice versa) makes sense. I found a couple other surnames that are also locations.
From what I can see, there are 2 Richard possibilities for the 1885 listing: Richard, married to Bridget and had 5 children 1877 - 1899 OR Richard married to Mary Mackay 14 Jul 1877.
For the Thomas in the directory, there appears to be 2 possibilities who would be the right age: Thomas, married to Catherine and had 6 children 1870-1878 OR Thomas, married to Mary Anne in 1870 and had 3 children 1872-1878.
I checked the Methodist marriages and there are no additional Thomas or Richard Georges. All others are still children. Or, they could be the older generation, and I don't have them listed because they were already married and had children by the time these lists started.
It's great to have all this information, but there's no real way to concretely tie them together.
I sent an email to John Rowe, and I will definitely try to get ahold of the book.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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