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Topic: Can you date this very early collodion positive / ambrotype of a lady (Read 587 times)
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catringoch
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Here's the photo of her as an older woman (on the right).
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Jones / Roberts / Eames/ Owen / Griffiths - Llanddona / Llanfaes / Llansadwrn Sir Fon, Anglesey
Morgans / Samuel - Llanarthe / Llannon
Jacob - Llandeilo Fawr
Hopkins - Pontarddulais
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catringoch
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and here is what I believe to be her parents and daughter taken about 1872 in my estimation (please correct me if you think I'm wrong)
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Jones / Roberts / Eames/ Owen / Griffiths - Llanddona / Llanfaes / Llansadwrn Sir Fon, Anglesey
Morgans / Samuel - Llanarthe / Llannon
Jacob - Llandeilo Fawr
Hopkins - Pontarddulais
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PrueM
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I've put them side by side to see if that makes it easier...myself, I can see the resemblance, but I'm not sure if that's just because I know who the older lady is supposed to be  if you know what I mean...
The picture of the two women in front of hte cottage looks like it was taken around the time of WW1 or just prior, judging by the younger lady's hair and clothing - what do others think? That would make your lady in her late 70s or into her 80s.
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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Ann in the UK
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I know nothing about photographic techniques, but that hairstyle is distinctive to the 1860s at the latest (you can see her ears, so it's likely to be mid to late 1860s). Because of it's simplicity (no waves or curls), and lack of ornaments (beads or bows), I'd say she's not a wealthy lady. The plait across the top is typical of the 1860s (the big dress would suggest the same era too, later fashions tended to be much closer fitting). By the 1870s, fashionable/wealthy young Vicorian women were wearing much more elaborate styles, although they older geneartion/less fashion conscious may have taken a bit longer to catch up.
Regards
Ann
(I read somewhere that if the photograph has square corners then it's from the 1860s. Isn't there a photographer's stamp/name on the back which might help you date it?)
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PrueM
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Ann  
HEre's some info about Ambrotypes:
http://www.kamogawa-conservation.com.au/What%20Photo%20Is%20That/Ambrotype.html
They're not printed on paper or stuck to card, so there is rarely any photographer info to be had, unfortunately
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Paper and Photograph Conservator
I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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Ann in the UK
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Thanks Pru, I looked it up in the end - not needed to know it so far, but I'm sure it'll come in useful one of these days
Ann
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Ann in the UK
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As to the hairstyle - I thought it might be a snood type thing keeping her hair in a kind of sling rather than a plait - difficult to tell really - any thoughts
You're right, a sort of snood could be synonymous with the 1860s. However, what I think you're thinking of (like what Olivia de Haviland sometimes wore in Gone with the Wind) was not like a mop hat (which it would have to be if you're right), they were more like a scarf which clipped onto the head on either side of the crown, and dangled a little at the back so they could tuck/clip their hair underneath.
However, on closer inspection (via Picasa!) the piece across the lady's head in your picture has a similar texture to plaits, rather than fabric, I'd say. To me it looks as though her hair has been parted down the middle, then each side has been plaited across her ears and taken around the back where the rest of the hair has probably been added and the whole thing has been wrapped around her head (meaning he hair was probably quite long). That's my opinion anyway.
Regards, ann
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rhos_uchaf.jpg
Here is what could be her daughter as a young woman.
Oh well, that makes all the difference.... 