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Jool
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I have been searching endlessly for the marriage of Thomas Dodgson without success, I have found pretty much everything I can on his family from present day back to early 1700's, apart from his marriage date/place. Here's what I know.
Thomas Dodgson b. 1804 Heysham (bapt. St. Peter's Heysham), son of John Dodgson (Blacksmith of Heysham) and Anne (Nancy) Gibson.
He married Martha Stanley b. 1800 Dodleston, Cheshire. Their first 3 children were born in Wallasey Cheshire (baptised Dodgson), the other 4 were born Wavertree Lancs (baptised Dodson), where the family lived throughout the census records in the name of Dodson. Thomas was a Blacksmith.
Their first child was born in November 1829 so I have been searching 1820-1829 (assuming 16 would be the youngest Thomas would marry, Martha being 4 years older).
I thought they would have most likely married in the bride's parish of Dodleston, or maybe nearby Wallasey where their first children were born, then I found this marriage record on Ancestry.
Lancashire: Lancaster - Freemen of The Borough of Lancaster, 1688-1840 (A-L). It states Marriages 1825-26 Thomas Dodgson blacksmith of Heysham son of John, blacksmith of Heysham, but no mention of the bride's name. Is there any way I can find her name? Maybe Thomas married someone else before he married Martha.
Can anyone throw any light on this please, I'm getting weary now 
Thanks
Jool
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km1971
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Hi Jool
The answer should lie in the records of the church in Heysham - is St Peter's the only one? In the pre-internet days you were recommended to go through the church records and if you find more than one match, you had to follow all of them until they died, or got married, or could otherwise be eliminated.
Thomas' baptism may not record his mother, but she will be named in his father's marriage entry. If the Dodgsons peter out in Heysham, you need to look at nearby parishes until you find them again. The Lancashire Record Office in Preston will know where the registers are. They will also know if they are available online or on CD or microfiche or have been published.
After a little searching it will be obvious if there was only one blacksmith family with the right name. It was very difficult to set yourself up as a blacksmith, because of all the tools required. So most were passed from father to son. If you find a second the vicar would usually put some extra information that will tell them apart.
And you should also check the Parish Clerks project - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ If they have not covered St Peter’s yet I am sure they would welcome a new volunteer.
Ken
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rosie99
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Hi
Sorry not sure where I got this information, probably Heysham PR's marriage Martha Stanley/Thomas Dodgson 6/8/1827 Heysham.
I am researching other Heysham families which because of frequent intermarrying pick up all sorts of names 
Rosie
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rosie99
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Hi
In case you don't have it I also have the following information on some of Thomas's siblings - St Peters Heysham unless stated otherwise
John Dodgson bapt 5/5/1799 buried 25th January 1814
Simon Mash*ter Dodgson born 4/11/1800 bapt 14/12/1800 married Margaret Bleasdale at St Mary's Lancaster
Ellen Dodgson bn 26th July 1802 bapt 22 August 1802
Elizabeth Dodgson bn 9th January 1806 bapt 26 January 1806 (possible marriage robt roskell 11/2/1828
Mary Dodgson bn 26th Feb 1810 bapt 18th March 1810 married Richard Wadeson 24th January 1831
William Dodgson bn 16th April 1812 bapt 3rd May 1812 married Maria Hunter 3rd February 1834
James Dodgson bapt 20th February 1814 married Mary Clarke 19th July 1851 9dtr of William Clarke and Mary nee Hodgson)
Rosie
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BarbaraH
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if you google "Lancaster - Freemen of The Borough of Lancaster, 1688-1840"
you get details of the printed version with authors etc so you can enquire about it at your library. Google books offered a 'snippet' which showed part of the bit you found on Ancestry, underneath that entry was one for Miles Dodgson, another son of John Dodgson the blacksmith.
Infuriatingly the snippet ends there!
 Barbara
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Newton Heath/Failsworth: Greenwood, McGibbon, Fishwick, Berry LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry CHES/DERBYS: Holt, Goodwin, Grant, Vernon LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS/LINCS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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rosie99
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Have you looked at A2a / TNA website
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/
I just put Dodgson into advanced search with Heysham in the other box and selected Lancashire record office, it has a few references to Dodgson wills
Rosie
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Jool
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Hi, thanks so much for your help and advice everyone 
Ken, I have already checked Lancs OPC and they don't yet cover marriages for Heysham, only baptisms. I will contact Lancs Records Office to see where I can access marriage records. I think St. Peter's is the only church there, most of his family seemed to be bapt/married/buried there.
Rosie, wow, don't know how you found it but glad you did  . Thanks a million. Do you think Thomas could have married someone else before Martha as the record I found on Ancestry was 1825-26 and the marriage record you found for Thomas & Martha was on 6/8/1827? Thanks for the extra info on Thomas's siblings, I have some but not all of the information you posted. Yes, I have seen the Dodgson Wills on A2A/TNA, I have not obtained copies of these but there is a good abstract of John Dodgson's will on the site.
Barbara, thanks for the tip on Google Books, I've never tried that before, quite useful.
Thanks again
Jool
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dotty
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I will have alook at the records for you and confirm the dates etc today
Dotty
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Braithwaite,Roney,Hartley,Jackson,Reed, Cumberland /Westmorland .Livesey,Hartley,Taylor,Sefton,Harrison,Knowles,Lancashire.Bottomley,Schofield,Woodhouse ,Hobson ,Norcliffe and Hartley West Yorkshire.Bottomley Dumfrieshire and Lanarkshire.Pinder ,Warwickshire.Kisby ,Cambridgeshire This information is Crown Copyright,from www.natiionalarchives.gov.uk |
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dotty
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from the transcripts Thomas Dodgson, batchelor of this parish to Martha Stanley spinster of this parish by banns 6th August 1827 married by Thomas Yates Ridley witnesses were Robert Roskel and Elizabeth Stanley
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Braithwaite,Roney,Hartley,Jackson,Reed, Cumberland /Westmorland .Livesey,Hartley,Taylor,Sefton,Harrison,Knowles,Lancashire.Bottomley,Schofield,Woodhouse ,Hobson ,Norcliffe and Hartley West Yorkshire.Bottomley Dumfrieshire and Lanarkshire.Pinder ,Warwickshire.Kisby ,Cambridgeshire This information is Crown Copyright,from www.natiionalarchives.gov.uk |
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Jool
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Thanks Dotty, you're a star , I'm chuffed to bits, I didn't think I would find this one. The witnesses confirm it is the right marriage, Robert Roskell married Thomas's sister Elizabeth in 1828 (see Rosie's post above), and Martha's mother and sister were called Elizabeth Stanley.
I wonder why the record on Ancestry listed a marriage for Thomas Dodgson in 1825-6, he was obviously a batchelor when he married Martha
Which parish records for Heysham do you have access to, I may be cheeky and ask you to look up some other bits for me if you don't mind 
Jool
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dotty
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It was St Peters Heysham
Hopefully I will be going next Tuesday just let me know what you want looking up
Dotty
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Braithwaite,Roney,Hartley,Jackson,Reed, Cumberland /Westmorland .Livesey,Hartley,Taylor,Sefton,Harrison,Knowles,Lancashire.Bottomley,Schofield,Woodhouse ,Hobson ,Norcliffe and Hartley West Yorkshire.Bottomley Dumfrieshire and Lanarkshire.Pinder ,Warwickshire.Kisby ,Cambridgeshire This information is Crown Copyright,from www.natiionalarchives.gov.uk |
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rosie99
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Hi Jool
I am not much help on the Elizabeth Dodgson marriage I am afraid. I must have listed the same time as Thomas's from Heysham PR's and have just put it on my records as a possible marriage for Elizabeth. I only briefly looked at the Dodgson family as one of my OH's distant cousins married one of Simons daughters. I do have PRs for Heysham on fiche prior to 1813 if there is ever you want anything looked up just PM me.
Rosie
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rosie99
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I will keep looking for Elizabeth. I was in touch with a descendant of Simon Mash*ter Dodgson - I'll see if he is still doing FH. Another thought some of OH's family went to Canada/America to live c1841
Rosie
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