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ejam
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: Dowie
« Reply #15 on: Friday 06 November 09 17:50 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Valda,
thanks for the explanation about replying & posting. It should all work after this post then?
I do have all the offspring of William Howard and Ann: Robert James, from whom I am descended, Eliza and William. They were all at the Royal Military Asylum until the age of 14, which is where the first clue about Robert Dowie came from as Eliza went to him in Camberwell in 1825 on leaving the school.
Most of my ancestry is now confirmed, but for my direct line, where I am still searching for where William and Ann came from. There is one marriage which interests me most, between William and Ann Todd in Easton by Framlingham. The interest is in the family name of 'Toddie' which has passed through the generations. Otherwise there few clues to go on....the Archives in london and a researcher failed to come up with anything about William. Ann must have received a pension after his death but there seems to be no record of this. I am currently chasing her headstone which may have been removed from St. Peter Walworth to Woking (she surely had a headstone with a mason as a husband and son!
Regards, Alan.
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Valda
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Re: Dowie
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 08 November 09 13:11 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi
When London churchyards were cleared the bodies were removed and mass buried in whichever cemetery they went to. There would usually be a monument erected to state they were the bodies from whichever churchyard, removed on whatever date. They were not individual buried. London churchyards were closed from the 1840s to the 1850s onwards because they had become completely overwhelmed by the size of the population which also hemmed them in giving them no space to extend. Bodies were literally crammed in on top of bodies and many churchyards were a health hazard. This was why in the 1830s the first of the very large London cemeteries began to open.
Ann was probably one of the last burials into St Mary Walworth and Robert's later burial was more likely to be in a cemetery, unless you have found an entry in a parish register?
Taken form the Guide to London Burials - one of the help topics at the top of the board
'The first public cemetery established in London was in 1833 and was 72 acres in size. By 1841 there were six more of these large cemeteries in the London area. By the 1840s London churchyards were so overcrowded that they were considered a growing health risk and were increasingly closed to new burials e.g. ‘St Martin-in-the-Fields churchyard was only 200 feet (60 metres) square yet by the early 1840's, it was estimated to contain the remains of between sixty and seventy thousand persons'.
One of the links in the guide is to the website 'THE LONDON BURIAL GROUNDS' which gives some information on St Peter Walworth churchyard.
'St. Peter's Churchyard, Walworth.
John Soane church, built built 1823-25. Churchyard closed in 1853, crypt around 1860. Crypt cleared in 1894. Became a garden in 1895.
Church bombed during the war; many people were killed or injured in the crypt. Church now restored.
Churchyard reportedly run down and vandalised in 1989. Now a dull park with gravestones around the edge.'
http://www.londonburials.co.uk/
Certainly the bodies in St Peter Walworth crypt were reinterred at Woking (crypt burials were largely those of a higher social standing and more care would be taken with those) but the churchyard clearance may have been reburied in a local Southwark cemetery.
Did your researcher research at The National Archives for William's military record including through the muster books?
At the time of Robert James' baptism 13th March 1813 (coverage of the parish registers only begin in 1813 on the IGI) William was a bombadier in the Artillery. By the time of his next son's baptism 17th September 1817 he was a pensioner. The major battle in between that the Royal Artillery was certainly present at was of course Waterloo 18th June 1815.
The IGI has poor coverage of Suffolk and no coverage of Easton parish registers so the marriage that is found is a Mormon church members' submitted entry, so it should be treated with caution since these range in quality from accurate to frankly rubbish. Since Eliza's birth was circa 1811 (baptism not necessarily at Woolwich?) the marriage would be before this date. Not all the children may have gone to the Royal Military Asylum. An older child who may have been able to work might have remained with their mother in 1819 when the other three children entered the asylum.
Regards
Valda
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