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staceyk84
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I am trying to trace my Grandfathers family, he was Thomas Gordon Marshall, born 1938 to Robert M Marshall and Jane Ledger Martin Dobinson, all are registered as Tynemouth. Jane and Robert married in 1936.
I have no idea at all about Robert's family, however i do know that he was born 1911, mother Dawson.
Jane was born in 1912 to Mary Ledger Martin & Thomas Dobinson who married in 1910, i have found the birth record of Mary in 1892 but there are far too many Thomas Dobinson's for me to find him.
I have not got any certificates of marriage etc, i have only just started researching i'm a little far off the certificates stage at present without knowing more information to make sure i have the right people.
I am also unsure of the exact areas they were from however, Northumberland/Seaton Sluice was an area i know my Grandad lived in for many years.
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Riley/Patton/Lockett/Farran of Salford/Manchester.
Marshall/Dobinson/(Ledger)Martin/Dawson of Northumberland (Seaton Delavel, Hartley, Monkseaton, S.Shields)
Crossland/Ives/Dyson of Ashton/Stalybridge.
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lizdb
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Birth
Jul/Aug/Sep 1911
Tynemouth ref 10 b 578
Robert M Marshall
mums maiden name Dawson
this cert might be worth getting as will give parents full names and dads occupation so might lead us to a marriage.
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posteria
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Hello Stacey
From the list of possible brides and grooms shown for the 1891 (second quarter) marriages on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ the reference for Elizabeth Bowman is incorrect and should be 10b 225.
From the remaining four names with reference 10b 223, I think (after checking on the following site) that Hannah Dawson married Gordon Crawford and that Thomas Marshall married Elizabeth Meek ....
http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/msearch.nsf/msearch?openform
From a cursory glance at the 1901 census information, I also do not think that the Thomas Marshall who was born c1869 at Delaval was married to anyone called Hannah. I think that he was married to an Alice.
You really need to follow the good advice given above by lizdb and see what the birth certificate says about Robert’s parents or you could end up with the wrong ancestors (as your mum‘s cousin seems to have done).
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posteria
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The birth certificate should tell you exactly who Robert’s parents were.
There is no doubt that his mother’s maiden name was Dawson but it is not 100% certain that she married Mr Marshall using that name. She could have been married previously and would thus have a different surname.
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staceyk84
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I believe his parents could possibly be Hannah Dawson and Thomas Marshall married 1891, this information has come from a family tree of my Mother's cousin who knew the family far better than i did so i presume she is correct in it. I haven't had any luck finding them in any records to see if they are in fact Robert's parents.
Hannah Dawson born c1870 Seaton Delaval and Thomas Marshall c1869 also Seaton i believe.
I have been trying to find them on a census but have had no luck, i do not have access to the 1911 just 1841-1901.
Thanks for the reply.
I think i finally have been given the correct parents for Robert M Marshall, whilst Thomas Marshall is correct he was actually born c1878 Dairy House, Hartley, i believe he married Jane Harrison Dawson in 1898.
On the 1901 census transcription it states that Jane is actually married to Thomas' brother David, but when viewing the original this is incorrect, David is single and it says Brother's wife for Jane, David is down as the head of house, would this be because he is the oldest?
If anybody has any information on Dairy House back then that would be great, one one census Dairy House has no number, on another it says number 94, was Dairy House a street name or one house? 
Thanks 
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« Last Edit: Saturday 14 November 09 15:33 UTC (UK) by staceyk84 »
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Riley/Patton/Lockett/Farran of Salford/Manchester.
Marshall/Dobinson/(Ledger)Martin/Dawson of Northumberland (Seaton Delavel, Hartley, Monkseaton, S.Shields)
Crossland/Ives/Dyson of Ashton/Stalybridge.
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Michael Dixon
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staceyk84,
Dairy House
As far as Northumberland goes, it was fairly common for fledgling communities to be named after a feature there.. (e.g Isabella suburb of Blyth, named after name of coal mine, named after one of mine owner's family- e.g.,)
Follow the CV of Dairy House on maps ( on line)
*Armstrong's map 1769. Map shows just Dairy.. one building
*Fryer's map of 1820. Shows Dairy Farm, three buildings.. and a closeby
Colliery ( with rail line to Seaton Sluice harbour.
*Greenwood's 1828. Dairy House, two buildings ( I don't know if numbers of buildings are accurate or just representative ! )
$ Ordnance Map 1860 6" version.. now " Old Coal Pit" (bottom right of map)
$ Ordnance Map 1897 6" version.....
* communities.northumberland.gov.uk within Seaton Sluice community, in " Plans" section.
$ same site, within Seaton Delaval community, in "Ordnance Maps" section
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You ask about the number "94" against Dairy House appearing on one census, but you fail to name which census or the page reference !
Was the "94" in column 1 or column 2 of the census page ( Column one was not for house numbers)
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Names.
GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo. IRELAND.
Ontario, CANADA
Lowell, Ma, USA
Counties of Northumberland & Durham, ENGLAND
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MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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DIXON
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND
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Michael Dixon
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SK84,
It was the 1901 census
Piece 4809 Folio 35 Page 15.
The "94" is in col.1. This is the Schedule number, not a house number. That is the 94th household within the "Piece" ( of territory) numbered 4809.
The "address" for the Marshal family is "Dairy House". There were another four following households with the "Dairy House" address. The census emunerator used the abbreviation convention of "do", short for "ditto" meaning -already said- for the Poynter and Howlett families- and over on the next page, 16, wrote Dairy House in full for the Wilson family and "do" for the Tweddles.
So the community of Dairy House contained five families/households. Your Marshalls had 4 rooms, Poynters 3, the other three families 2 rooms each family. And taking clues from maps.... no streets !
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Names.
GALLAGHER ( + variations).
Areas. Co Sligo, Co Leitrim, Co Mayo. IRELAND.
Ontario, CANADA
Lowell, Ma, USA
Counties of Northumberland & Durham, ENGLAND
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MALEY/MELIA/MALLEY - with or without " O "
Westport Co Mayo. Northumberland
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DIXON
Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND
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