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alunno-a
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Tuxworth
« on: Monday 02 November 09 19:25 UTC (UK) »

Hello,
I am new to this board, but have just found a death for a "missing" relative in British Columbia, in 1930, Thomas Greaves Tuxworth, who I think is Thomas "graves" Tuxworth--he was b c 1870 at Wapping,London, and was a merchant seaman who emmigrated to Australia  c 1900, but the family "think" he went to Canada later.
Has anyone come across this man? I cannot find any reference other than his death in Canada ( I have him on English census 1871, 81, 91, and on a couple of crew lists into Australia ...but that is all) .It is odd that the family say he went to Canada, but he then just dissapears!!
Any help would be great, Thank-you!!
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all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore
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Re: Tuxworth
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 November 09 01:07 UTC (UK) »

I don't see him in the 1911 Canada Census http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/ but he might have settled here after that date.  There is one Tuxworth in Vancouver, looks like Mary Ann living with her sister Maria Proctor.  Are they in your extended tree?  Could he have been visiting relatives and decided to stay?

If you don't have the actual death registration, I can look up the details for you when I am at the library (probably this weekend).  The BC registrations are quite comprehensive and contain details such as occupation, parents, spouse, immigration dates, place of burial etc.  It might answer some questions about when he arrived and what he was doing here.

Regards,
Lynwen
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Re: Tuxworth
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 11 November 09 10:06 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lynwen,
Thank-you so much for your reply and offer to help!
I have come across the other Tuxworths you mention, but as far as I know they are not connected to this branch of the Tuxworth family, although, if they proove to be that would be really helpful!! My Tuxworth family did have other connections, by marriage, to a Miles family who were in Canada by the end of the 19thc, which maybe the reason Thomas was there, or it could be simply that he was a Seaman.

The details on the BC Death Index I have found as follows;

Thomas Greaves Tuxworth
18 May 1930  aged 59
Kamloops
Reg. 1930-09-445727
bca# B13140
gsu# 1952651

Would you be able to get anymore information from this reference, or would I have to buy a certificate from this end? Can I get Canadian certificates, is what I really mean, -I found the reference on Ancestry and it wasnt clear what all the numbers mean, or what bI could do with them!!

If you do get a chance to look for this I would be so grateful.....and thank-you again.

Yours, Sally
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all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore
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Re: Tuxworth
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 11 November 09 15:12 UTC (UK) »

Good morning alunno,

Have to looked at the passenger lists to find your Tuxworth family ancestors coming to Canada. What I usually do is to search the find my past website for the ancestors sought for at http://www.findmypast.com/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action to get a general idea of when they came Canada (free part). Thru this you may possibly find out their port of departure and arrival, relative(s) travelling with them. Since FMP is a subscription based site, I then take that info and search for the passenger list at our national archives site: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/lac-bac/search-recherche/anc.php?Language=eng. The archives is a free site. You can check out the federal cenususes at this site as well.

In doing this keep in mind that your ancestors may have travelled through the USA to reach their place of settlement in Canada. You would then need to look at the American passenger lists and Canada/USA boarder crossing info. Unfortunately , I don't know of any site with that info except the fee based Ancestry site.

Hope this helps.

JDC
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Re: Tuxworth
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 11 November 09 17:14 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sally,

You don't need to order the BC death registration as I can look it up for free at the Vancouver Public Library.  The BCA number is the film reel and the Reg # is the number for this particular death on the film reel.  I have never discovered what the GSU number means!

I have a sub to FMP but I could not find anything close to Thomas or anyone with his birth date on the list.  But as you say he likely arrived as a crew member and perhaps that list hasn't been transcribed.  Strange he ended up in Kamloops as it is no where near the coast so unless he was working on one of the river boats, he likely changed occupations or maybe even retired.

But we'll see what info the registration holds and go from there.

Lynwen
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Re: Tuxworth
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 November 09 02:08 UTC (UK) »

I cannot view further details, but there is a T G Tuxworth, born c1870, "origin location" London, arriving Sydney, New South Wales in 1891 and 1895.  (On An.....y)

So far, I do not see Thomas arriving in the States.
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Re: Tuxworth
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 12 November 09 07:36 UTC (UK) »

Hello all,
Thank-you every one for your replies!
I do have a sub to FMP etc, and have got details of Thomas Tuxworth arriving and departing a couple of times into Australia. Just enough information for me to say it is him, and therefor that he was a merchant Seaman, which is how he appears on the UK census upto 1891.The reason I want to establish that the death in Canada is him, and to get any further info from the death registration is that he is a bit of a mystery in the family, as, untill we found the census no-one in my bit of the family knew he existed, and  later-made contacts had,but thought he emigrated to Canada, despite his brothers etc ending up in Australia. I cannot find a birth registration for him in the UK,(or baptism) and don't really know what the "G" in his name stands for ( am assuming Graves, as that is a family name, and this death registration is Greaves) I am hoping to find out if he married, and had family. And it is possible that this Thomas is not mine, as Lynwen noticed, there are other Tuxworths about, including a large family of Sawyers who started in Canada and then shifted to Michigan. They appear as born Lincolnshire and Canada, but my Tom was born Wapping (St George in the East), London.

Lynwen,
Thank-you so much, I would be so grateful (is that how you spell grateful?..I always have troulbe with this word!) if you do manage to look this up, its really kind of you!

Sally

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WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore
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Re: Tuxworth
« Reply #7 on: Friday 13 November 09 03:43 UTC (UK) »

Perhaps you could write to the Regional District Library (for Kamloops) and ask if they might be able to see if there is a listing for Thomas in the 1929 Kamloops Directory.  (Hoping he may have used his middle name.)

Or, if you explain your situation, they might be able to provide further assistance.

http://www.tnrdlib.bc.ca/services/genealogy_research.php

Ask A Librarian:
http://www.tnrdlib.bc.ca/asklib.php
Note:  I've used this service in Ontario.  While they provide excellent assistance and are very nice, they cannot do extensive research.  Generally, they will do up to three lookups (in reference books), and/or may be able to advise where to research next.
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Re: Tuxworth
« Reply #8 on: Friday 13 November 09 18:57 UTC (UK) »

Hi folks,

I hear that the Vancouver Public Library has a wonderful genealogy resources. Perhaps it would helpfull to contact them as well: http://www.vpl.vancouver.bc.ca/.

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Re: Tuxworth
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 14 November 09 01:23 UTC (UK) »

I looked up the death registration and it was interesting but probably leaves you with more questions than answers!

He was registered as Thomas Greaves Tuxworth (also known as Thomas Greaves).  The informant was listed as "Hospital Records" which I assume mean his admission records.  He died at Royal Inland Hospital in Kamloops of bronchiectasis, complicating factor bronchial pneumonia.  Residence is listed as Vancouver, he was single, born in England, birth date unknown, 59yrs old, occupation Steeple Jack and War Veteran.  He lived in Kamloops "about 18 months" prior to his death, time in BC and Canada is not known.  Parents not known as well.  He was buried in Kamloops on 21 May 1930.

It sounds like he must have been quite ill when admitted to hospital because there weren't a lot of details in their records.  Sadly, it doesn't help to confirm if this is your man.

But perhaps a search for Thomas Graves/Greaves might turn something up.  I tested my brilliant idea and came up with a Thomas Graves in the 1911 BC Census, aged about right and I thought, I am a genius!  But he was born in America of Irish descent.  Doh!  Once again, genius eludes me.   Angry

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Re: Tuxworth
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 14 November 09 17:33 UTC (UK) »

Thank-you SO much Lynwen!!!!
I can't Thank-you enough.

Well, you're right it doesn't tell me a lot!- but at least something to go on! The use of "greaves/graves" rather than Tuxworth is really interesting though. On the 1901 England census his parents (if he is my Thomas) used Graves as their surname, inexplicably, and in 1891 so did their eldest son and his wife. Graves was the maiden name of the mother of the brood. Father James Tuxworth was illigitimate, which might be the reason, but it is odd, as the family appear in a Directory of the same dates as Tuxworth, and in all other "official" records.
So, looking for Thomas as Greaves or Graves is probably the way to go, and I am really grateful,

Sally
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London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore
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Re: Tuxworth
« Reply #11 on: Monday 16 November 09 01:11 UTC (UK) »

one of the above replies stated that Thomas was a veteran so I checked the attestation papers at
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca under Soldiers of the first World War and found this.

Thomas Greaves, SPR
Reg. # 103575

The attestation papers list Thomas Greaves, residing in Regina, Saskatchewan, born Limehouse, London, England. His next of kin is George Greaves, brother, 21 Little Raglan Street, Melbourne, Australia. His date of birth is listed as 28 Nov. 1877.

If you know the names of Thomas' brothers that went to Australia and one is named George, I would order his entire military file as you may get more information from the whole file. 

If he went by Greaves and Tuxworth, I wouldn't rule anything out.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Tuxworth
« Reply #12 on: Monday 16 November 09 10:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi Valeriec,

Fantastic, YES it does help!!!!!!!!!!
One brother was George Tuxworth, living at that address to boot! I have not seen George using Greaves/Graves, but this does raise the possibility that all the family did at one time, which is odd.
So, brilliant, thank-you all so much for this help.

Sally
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WRY- Thompson,Cowburn,Walker, Glossop,
London- Chesney/Chesnut
all areas- Tuxworth
Lincs/ Notts- Graves, White, Wilson,Pedge,Tuxford, Bonner
Devon- Dean, Crode (also NFL) Coode, Tucker, Miles ( origin Hampshire)
Beds/Herts/ Northants- Newberry, Shepherd, Norton, Blackabey
Kent- Munn, Moore
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