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Topic: Pubs and chapels in Bethesda (Read 396 times)
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lorna llan
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I'm in the last stages of preparing a map of Glanogwen Cemetery in Bethesda, for the book of gravestone transcriptions. Along with this will go a map showing as many addresses as possible in the Glanogwen parish. I have found about half of the 250 addresses using an old 6-inch map, and the street names are not a problem. However Bethesda was very rich in places of worship and places to drink and many are not there any more. Also, there were some shops....
I would appreciate any help with finding these places.
Britannia Inn Crown Inn Gerlan Inn King's Arms King's Head Llangollen Hotel/Inn Mona Inn Queen Tavern Royal Oak Ship Inn Stag Inn Temperance Hotel Victoria Hotel Waterloo Hotel Wellington Vaults
Capel Cwtta Braichmelyn Siloam Street Bryn Salem Caer Salem Ty Capel Jerusalem Ty Capel Ty Capel Tyn y maes
Bodffordd House Bontuchaf Shop Caxton House Crompton House Lorne House Manchester House Gerlan Railway House Sheffield House Carneddi Victoria House
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Sandgrounder1
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Hi Lorna
I lived in Bethesda many years ago but none of these ring a bell!!
I lived in Bontuchaf and there was definitely no shop there The nearest shop was along Carneddi Road, next door to the chapel. The chapel has now been demolished and houses built there.
There was a house converted to a pub further along Carneddi Road. If you came up from the village past Carneddi Infants School and turned left up the hill to Carneddi Road then turned left towards Rachub the "pub" was in one of the first few houses on the left hand side of the road.
Hope this is of some use. PM me if you need any more info
Sandgrounder
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CONWAY, Westport, Mayo; TEALE, Salford, Manchester; GILCHRIST, Edinburgh; GRIFFITHS, East Stonehouse, Devon; VENNEN (and variations) Cornwall; TOY, Cornwall; ENGLAND, Cromer, Norfolk; LOFTUS, Cissie and Marie, Music Hall Artistes, Glasgow
PORTSWORTHY, Cornwall
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pinot
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I should think that the Royal Oak listed is the present pub of that name on the square in Rachub; Quarryman will no doubt put you straight.
Pinot
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lorna llan
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Yes, the Royal Oak collects all the business that was once taken in by the five pubs in a row that spread along that street. (I have had a close look at the 1880 census.)
It turns out there was another Royal Oak in Bethesda at one time, but I can't figure out where it was.
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Quarryman
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Hi lorna,
Here is the first batch - they are all in High Street. Waterloo Inn (No.11), Queens (15), Menai (24), Ship (25), Virginia Vaults (28), Victoria (34) Britannia (37), Wellington (no number given), Royal Oak (no number given), Kings Head (51), Crown (55), Coach and Horses (72), Queens Head (79), Blue Bell (81).
There appears to be another Ship somewhere between 37 and 51 High Street, and two Stars, one at 13 and the other at 88, but one may be the Stag. Possible the Mona may be the Menai.
Will crack on
Regards
Quarryman
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Roberts, Caernarfon. Thomas, Caernarfon. Kite, Kent.
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Sandgrounder1
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Hi Lorna
It was the George that I remembered (but not the name!) in Carneddi Road.
I looked at Bontuchaf on the 1901 census and there was a "shop Bontuchaf". Unfortunately there don't seem to numbers on that census - I'll have a look at some of the other censuses as it isn't clear which end they started at!!
Sandgrounder
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CONWAY, Westport, Mayo; TEALE, Salford, Manchester; GILCHRIST, Edinburgh; GRIFFITHS, East Stonehouse, Devon; VENNEN (and variations) Cornwall; TOY, Cornwall; ENGLAND, Cromer, Norfolk; LOFTUS, Cissie and Marie, Music Hall Artistes, Glasgow
PORTSWORTHY, Cornwall
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Quarryman
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Hi Lorna,
Update: by 1891 most of the pubs had disappeared and new ones arrived; the Castle Inn was somewhere between 1 and 12 High Street, the Stag had become the Royal Stag Vaults and occupied 12/13, the Mona Inn was at 21, Llangollen Vaults at 29 (?), Britannia at 37 (?), Kings Head and Crown Inn somewhere between 37 and 72, occupied by the Coach and Horses, and the Blue Bell at 81 (?).
More (hopefully) follows.
Regards
Quarryman
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Roberts, Caernarfon. Thomas, Caernarfon. Kite, Kent.
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lorna llan
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Do you think that when the Stag became the Royal Stag Vaults they had a refit and aimed for a more upmarket demographic?
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WelshGen
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I didn't see the Llangollen mentioned. Isn't that the pub at the top end almost opposite the spar shop. Famous for still using the old money until quite recently. 
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lorna llan
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That one is the Douglas Arms, which I hear has recently made the switch to new money.
But the Llangollen is still in business, I think.
I may have to have a walk up Bethesda High St sometime soon.
Does anyone know where the old smithies were in Bethesda? I have 3 references from the graveyard (sorry can't do a to bach , which should be over the o in Gof)
Gof, Douglas Terrace
Gof, Minyllyn, Bethesda
Gof, Gerlan
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Gwil
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Lorna
The book Byd Go Iawn Un Noson Ola Leuad by J Elwyn Hughes has a detailed descripition of the locations of a lot of the places.Also old photos
Worth getting hold of if just for the indepth info concerning the area.
Gwil
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lorna llan
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Brilliant idea. My Welsh is almost good enough to read the picture captions, and I have already found Manchester House and Crompton House in the pictures.
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