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Ochsenkopff
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Hello
Sorry but the information I have is very small but I am hoping you may be able to help.
William Poole in the 1881 Census for Gloucestershire is given as being born in Bath Somerset age is 66 a shoemaker .
Information on a marriage for him is given as married to Elizabeth Ridler but not the place of marriage so he possibly married about 1833 - 1840 bath but only guessing.
Apparently moved from Bath to Gloucestershire as William and his wife Elizabeth is living with his two brothers John and George near Rodborough Gloucester.
Do not want to waste your time and effort appreciate any info Possible.
Thank you
Colin
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karenlee
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Colin
According to FreeBMD William POOLE and Elizabeth RIDLER married in Stroud District, Gloucestershire Dec Quarter 1840. Ref details are Vol 11 Page 629
The 1841 Census for Gloucestershire shows a William and Elizabeth POOLE living in Butcher's Row St Philip and St Jacob Barton Regis, Clifton. Two daughters Elizabeth and Eliza. William's occupation is Bootmaker.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Ochsenkopff
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Hi Karenlee
You certainly surprize me with how fast you return information but this info for me is not good as it dashes my hopes of having the right William Poole.
My William Poole in the 1841 Census for Cirencester, Stroud, Tetbury has him at the age of 25 Elizabeth P 25 John P 20 and George Poole 20
Do not know where this family came from but was hoping that I could tie up some loose ends.
Thank you so much for your time
Colin
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trish1120
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Hi Colin,
I have followed the William from 1881 census. If he is your one he appears to have married 2 Elizabeth/Elizas.
On 1881 Census he has a much younger wife than the 1841 Census
1851 Census
Rodborough, Glous
HO107/1965/470/5
William POOLE, Head, Widower, 37, Master Shoemaker, born Glous, Rodborough
Fanny, 5, Daug
Morris, 3, Son
George, 1, Son, all born Rodborough
Jane Ridley, Servant, 13
1861 Census he is still a widower, 3 children still at home in Rodborough. RG9/1776/84/10
He is now born Bath, Somerset
1871 Census
Rodborough, Glous
RG10/2637/8/7
William POOLE, Head, Mar, 56, Shoemaker, born Batts(sic), Somerset
Eliza, Wife, Mar, 40, Woollen Cloth Worker, born Bisley, Glous
George, Son, Unm, 22, Carpenter/journeyman, born Rodb, Glous
Lydia, Daug, 3, born Rodb
Alice, Daug, 1 , born Rodb
So remarried about 1866ish
Possible Marriage ( there are others but this seem to fit);
William POOLE
Eliza MAY ( on same page)
June 1867
Stroud 6a 531
1881 he is born Bath, aged 66 as you say and Elizabeth 50 born Bisley. Alice is still at home and new child Henry aged 8.
If this is all correct first Eliza died abt 1850 after birth of George.
So just before 1851 census.
A birth cert of one of the younger children eg Alice, would confirm details of Eliza and whether William was a widower.
Marriage cert of William to either Eliza/Elizabeth would give his Fathers name.
Cheers,
Trish 
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Ochsenkopff
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Hi Trish
All that hard work you have done for me has been dashed by the 1841 Census that Karenlee sent me.
William Poole a bootmaker was with his wife and two female children.
My William poole in the 1841 Census aged 25 was said to be with Elizabeth 25 John 20 and George 20 so my assumption of William Poole the bootmaker was wrong but both Williams are living in the Stroud Rodbough area.
It is so easy to assume.
Now I do not know what to do next to trace My William down and to prove that he is my William.
Can not thank you enough.
Colin
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Ochsenkopff
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Hi Trish
A correction to my last message Karenlee had given info that William Poole, wife and two girls were living in Barton Regis Clifton 1841 Census not Stroud, Rodbourough area as i had written earlier but apparently had moved there later so that is where all my confusion has crept in, then apparently we must have two William Pooles in the same area at the same time about the same age
Back to the drawing board and see if I can mess up again.
Colin
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trish1120
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Ok, if you think your one is the William married to Elizabeth RIDLER then it may not be the one Karenlee found as they did not marry til 1840. So it is unlikely they had 2 children in 1841 census.
Back to the drawing board 
Which child of William and an Elizabeth are your descended from?. Please give place and date of birth etc.
Trish
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Ochsenkopff
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Hi Trish
William Poole himself would be the brother of my G.G.Grandfather. John Poole who was in the 1841 Census with another brother George and possibly Elizabeth the wife of William.
all living to-gether.
John Poole in other Census has been given Brimscombe as his birth place but no proof from records of Stroud or Minchinbury his birth between 1814-1820
I was trying to find information of the birth places of William and George and knowing that John's father was listed as Thomas on his marriage certificate I though the best way to do that was to find what I could about William Poole and George Poole.
Was it wrong to do it this way or should I have tried to explain it better.
I find it very hard to try and prove things here in Australia when we do not have that much info on things as well as I still class myself as a novis
I really do appreciate what everyone does for me but sometimes I do not give enough info to start off with.
Sorry.
Colin
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Ochsenkopff
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Hi Toni
Thank you for that site but now I am not sure if it is going to be any help for me but I will still go there just incase.
Thanks for caring.
Colin
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Ochsenkopff
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Hi Toni
Went to that site but unfortunately needed time before 1837 but never know may come in handy.
Cheshire has a very simular site.
Thanks again
Colin
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trish1120
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Hi Colin,
Just to let you know I am totally confused 
Lets back up.
Your John POOLE is born abt 1815, Brimscombe, Glous.
He is a ag lab 1881, ag lab 1871, bailiff 1861.
Married to Matilda.
Has 2 sons;
William 1845
Thomas 1853, both born Maneyhampton, Glous
Have you found them in 1851? I havent.
Unless you have info that is conclusive you cannot assume that William/George/John in 1841 census are brothers. The could just be cousins.
On his marriage cert Father is Thomas?
His Fathers occupation?
Witnesses?
Trish
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Ochsenkopff
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Hi Trish
Will get back to you on this one as I want to make sure of my facts but I believe in the 1851 Census his name was listed as Daniel Poole and he married as Daniel Poole I believe 1842 after having an illigitement child in 1840 but the child was in the name of Parker.
On the marriage Certificate the signed name was Thomas not Daniel probable not by him, that was his fathersw name.
All very confusing.
Colin
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Ochsenkopff
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Hi Trish
Where to start, lets go to the christening of George Parker on the 3rd December 1840 at Poulton Gloucester.
Parent Matilda Parker.
Matilda Parker marries Daniel Poole A bachelor, lab. age either 28 or 22 had to make out but I think it is 22, father of Dasniel is Thomas, married 16th May 1842 at Maiseyhampton both Matilda are said to be of Maisey Hampton signed with an X only Thomas was written in the place 0of Daniel where he was suppose to sign.
Witnesses were Elizabeth Parker who was the sister to Matilda and John ?..son.
George Parker 20 marries Harriet Jane Larner 18in Colesbourne
Father of George Parker is given as JOHN DANIEL POOLE
In answer to your question of the 1851 Census John Poole is given as Daniel Poole and from there on he keeps the name of John as you have found.
George christened as Parker Marries as Parker Dies as Parker but in the 1861 Census for Poulton his name is Pool.
So confusing I agree.
Looking for John Poole or Daniel Poole the only John found in the area of Brimscombe was with a William, Elizabeth and George, John was around the aged I needed so was trying to trace William and George Poole to see if their father was Thomas and if so May have been able to place them to-gether.
Minchinhampton and Stroud have been looked into and nothing comes up.
Hope I have not confused you any more.
Colin
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Ochsenkopff
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Hi Trish
The 1861 Census for George Pool [Parker] should have been for Ampney St.Peter not Poulton as I had told you in my previous message, thought I had better clear that up.
Sorry for any mistakes in my last message too but this keyboard plays up a lot.
Colin
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