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Anaka
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Marriage in Bally Black
« on: Tuesday 03 November 09 01:15 UTC (UK) »

David Reid married Eliza Jane Dunbar February 1878 in Bally Black.
A son William was born around 1879

Can anyone help me find more information about this family prior to their move to Scotland in  1880.

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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 08:05 UTC (UK) »

IGI (www.familysearch.org) lists son's birth:
William Reid born 13 Feb.18701879 Co. Down, son of David Reid & Eliza Jane Dunbar

Irish marriage certificates don't contain as much as Scottish ones but will list their date and place of marriage, residences at time of marriage. whether or not of full age, marital status and occupations, fathers' names and occupations, names of 2 witnesses. Will not give birthdates or places, mothers' names.
Index to civil registrations is online (free)- search for bride and groom separately then cross-reference results for matching details-
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
See here for ordering N.I. certificates=
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383526.0.html
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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 08:26 UTC (UK) »

Anaka,
          On 22 Feb 1878 David reid married Elizabeth J Dunbar in Ballyblack Presbyterian Church, Newtownards. David's father was also David and Elizabeth's father was Hans. William was born on 13 Feb 1879. (A slip of Aghadowey's finger).

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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 09:24 UTC (UK) »

Aghadowey and Kingkerswell

Thank you both so much.

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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 10:14 UTC (UK) »

Anaka,
            On the PRONI Will Search there is a Hans Dunbar who died in 1902 in Co. Down. A look may give you further information.

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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 12:02 UTC (UK) »

Kingskerswell

Ireland is a new area of research for me and your help is much appreciated.

Surely 'Hans'  Dunbar is an uncommon name and my first thought was German, or could it be Irish?

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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 12:14 UTC (UK) »

Hans was quite a common name in Ireland in 1800s and earlier.
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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 10:32 UTC (UK) »

Anaka,

The "Hans" name derives from the German "Johannes".

It was common in the Scottish HAMILTON family, granted extensive tracts of land in the North of Ireland by King James I.
[See my note elsewhere in this conference.]

Many folks named their offspring after the local bigwigs, to show respect and/or political allegiance, or to curry favour (and then show gratitude) over land grants and rents.

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A James Gilmore DUNBAR was a small landholder at Drumfad, just over the hill from Ballyblack.
[Check out PRONI's online catalogue for a list of his tenants.]

He might be a relative of Elizabeth ...

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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 14:17 UTC (UK) »


Capt Jock et al

Thank you for your interest.

Elizabeth Jane (Dunbar) Reid caught Typhoid Fever and died age 26 in Larkhall Scotland.
From her death cert. I'm unable to decipher the maiden name of her mother and wonder if anyone can help.

I found her father's marriage and death (Hance Dunbar) and after looking through all the Elizabeth Jane's on the 'pilot family search' site  to connect  with Hance Dunbar 1858 Newtownards, nothing seemed close to matching with the name on the death cert.

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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 14:28 UTC (UK) »

Possibly Haig? - Hard to tell!
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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 14:32 UTC (UK) »

Anaka,
          15 Jun 1858 Hance Dunbar married Jane McKeag in Ballyblack Presbyterian Church.

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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 14:51 UTC (UK) »

Anaka,
          A further snippet, Hans/Hance's father was Samuel and Jane's father was David.

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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 15:21 UTC (UK) »

Kingskerswell et al

I am delighted.

All with a little help from friends.

Regards

As an aside, descendants of this family are alive and well in Ohio  USA
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Re: Marriage in Bally Black
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 18:48 UTC (UK) »

Dear All

To go back to the beginning
David Reid married Eliza Jane Dunbar February 1878 in Bally Black.

After the death of Eliza Jane,  David Reid married a widow, Sarah Brown in 1887 in  Lanarkshire  Scotland and on the marriage cert. his parents are named as David Reid (deceased) and Isabella Kennedy.
I have been unable to find a birth for David and according to 1881 Scotland census  he gives his date of birth as 1848 Ireland. However, on US census records he gives his place of birth as Scotland.

I have found a William Reid born Down Ireland on the IGI (not a submitted record, batch number available) who married in Iowa USA 1894 and he also has parents David Reid and Isabella Kennedy.

Any ideas where I can find births  for David or William or indeed the marriage of David Reid to Isabella Kennedy?

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