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Topic: James HORNZEE baptism c 1816 (Read 366 times)
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taylorwallace
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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James married Mary Ann Trappitt in Bethnal Green in 1847; his age is shown as 31,occupation , weaver, son of Thomas Hornzee, a cooper. On the 1851 census, he is shown as 35, a general dealer, living with wife and 3 children in Shoreditch. I believe him to be the son of Thomas Hornzee and Mary Ann Tomkins who married on 12/2/ 1809 at St. George/East. There are two children of this marriage born in 1810 and 1812 at St. Leonards Shoreditch which are on IGI. James should have been born c 1815/16 but cannot find him. He does not feature on later censuses and does not appear to have died (!) but on two of his daughters' marriages in 1880s , he is described as a fishmonger!! Name later became Hornsey. Any suggestions welcome.
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louisa maud
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What addresses do you have for the daughter's marriages
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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taylorwallace
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Thanks for your interest in this; it has exercised me for some years and I appreciate a fresh look!
Maria Ann Hornsey married 1885 ( to Goodhart Luke) 41 South Grove BOW
Emma Hornsey married 1872 ( to Henry Tice) Shadwell
both show father James Hornsey as a fishmonger
Ellen Hornsey married 1862 ( to James Alexander Rowe) show James as a willow cutter
4 Half Nichol Street Bethnal Green
Hope this helps!
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louisa maud
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Is there more than one James as there is a marriage of Ellen Maria 1876 father a James Cordwainer
LM
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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louisa maud
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I checked out the addresses, no luck, can't even find the girls on a census that seems to fit, there are other James ? in Bethnal Green and Hackney areas, I wonder if there is more than your James, strange he isn't on the census as far as I can see
1861 Half Nicol St was empty
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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taylorwallace
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Thanks for trying; it is a real puzzle. It is almost as though he wanted to disappear. I wondered whether he was in custody or emigrated but no leads. Not helped by Hornzee becoming Hornsey etc. I have today got James' father's (Thomas Hornzee) baptism from 1790 at St. Mary Whitechapel via Tower Hamlets archive and his father James Hornzee's marriage in 1775 from the same church. Very ironic that you can get things that old but not more recent stuff.
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louisa maud
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The marriages I checked didn't show father "dec" so one must assume he was still alive, but incumbents have been known to make mistakes
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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taylorwallace
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in answer to post about there being two James, the other one was born in Cripplegate in 1815 and was a shoe maker/cordwainer. He married a Wastell.
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louisa maud
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Hi again
He still remains a mystery to me, haven't been able to locate him, what about his wife ?
LM
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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hepburn
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Has Taylor followed the other two siblings,Thomas 1813,John 1810?
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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louisa maud
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How about going back to basics and find out addresses when daughters were born, then look ups to nearest census can be done, did he always use the name James, do you think he had a middle name
I would love to crack this one for you TW
LM
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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hepburn
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Hi Louisa,
I was thinking along those lines,did he start using the name James after being Baptised John/Thomas..
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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louisa maud
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1851
James 35 born Stepney
Mary 32 Shadwell
Ellen Shoreditch
Mary Bethnal Green
Emma Shoreditch
Strange thing is no ages against these 3 girls, so no ages on birth year to check ,
I have done a phonetic search on BMD's under Hornzee,
No trace of Emma
Mary Ann 1845 Poplar
Mary Ann 1850 Whitechapel
Emma Elizabeth 1850 Shoreditch,
the closeness of the 1850 births I think we can dispence with Mary Ann born Whitechapel 1850
I did find bapt of Mary Ann Trappitt of you are interested.
LM
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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hepburn
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I can't find John or Thomas in the '41 or '51.
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stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
,james,
nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
new zealand,turton
canada,carson.
australia,mitchell,scalley,
Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?
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louisa maud
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Am I losing the plot here
Maria Ann Hornsey marriage to Goodhart Luke 1885 shows her as age 29, born 1859, therefor she couldn't have been on the 1851 census with James and Mary Ann
Please tell me it is me !!!
PS Emma in 1862 is a minor
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukGarner, Marylebone, Paddington, Northolt, Ilford Garner, Devon Garner New Zealand Parkinson St Pancras, Lethbridge, Paddington, Slough Jenkins Marylebone, Paddington Tindal Marylebone, Paddington Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London Southam Marylebone, Paddington Bragg Lambeth, 1800's Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent, Canada (Toronto) Coveney, Kent, Lambeth Sondes, Kent, London |
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