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Ann in the UK
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Does anyone know where I might find the Hokitika district court records for c1874?
Thanks
Ann
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Lucy2
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Hi Ann
Most Court records for Hokitika (and other West Coast, South Island towns) will have been transferred to the Christchurch Office of Archives New Zealand.
If you can give us a better idea of what exactly you are looking for, then we may be able to help further with other information.
Lu
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Ann in the UK
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Hi Lucy
I'm looking for the documents that relate to this incident:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=WCT18750915.2.9
I think the Carrick mentioned is my 2xgreat grandfather's brother, but none of the reports I've read tell much about him, just about the incident. I'm hoping the files tell a bit more - if I can track them down 
Regards, Ann
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althea
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Hi Ann
I you go to
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/
Enter HOKITIKA
then you will have results, click on SERIES RESULTS
you can scroll down and see all the court records that are available and where they are locatrd
Bye
althea
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk Info: Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 Info: Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html |
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Ann in the UK
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Hi,
Yes, I'd looked there, but couldn't find any mention of the case. Was hoping they may be somewhere else.
Regards,
Ann
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althea
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Hi Ann
did you look through the file?
not all the cases will have been added to index, it would involve manual search 'd say.
I have some from Thames, only thee document shows, but the names are contained within the records for the period
Bye
Althea
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk Info: Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 Info: Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html |
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althea
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Hi Ann
Yes it would mean getting someone/paying archives to lookup the court records.
I don't think there indexing extends to having gone through for surnames. eg I know there are hospital admission records for people at Thames, but if you search their surname it doesn't come up on a search.
But as Riley suggests most libraries, historical societies, NZSG branches have access/are doing indexes so are worth contacting
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Althea
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk Info: Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 Info: Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html |
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Lucy2
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Hi Ann
Yes it would mean getting someone/paying archives to lookup the court records.
Hi Ann
Mmm yes, ... obviously this could turn into a costly exercise ? 
Having had a closer look at the Hokitika records listed at Archives New Zealand, it does seem unlikely that there will be any actual court proceedings information/ or in depth reports of trials, available. [Most of the Archives info on offer relates to "indexes" / "miscellaneous police files" / ... and much of it has to do with some of the minor townships on the West Coast, which came under the jurisdiction of Hokitika.]
As can be seen on the PapersPast website, trials / court appearances, in the 1800's were all very well covered in the newspapers and journalists went "all out" in reporting the smallest of details and generally giving a most comprehensive overview of proceedings.
Quite probably then, in the case which involved Duncan CARRICK, the details reported, were all that was known (or needed to be known) about him ... the court's attention was after all, focused on hearing other witnesses' accounts and (ultimately), arriving at a verdict.
But this was all about a brawl between a couple of drunken sailors who just happened (at the time) to be in the Port of Hokitika ! There's no evidence that Hokitika was the "hometown" of Duncan.
Lu
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Lucy2
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Hi again Ann
Sailors are always SO difficult to trace. 
There doesn't appear to be any record in New Zealand of Duncan CARRICK (CARRIG) (other than at PapersPast 1875).
Seems though, that in 1875 at least, he was working on smallish (cargo) vessels which were plying their trade in NZ coastal waters.
The "Jane Anderson" had arrived at Hokitika on 7 September 1875 on a voyage from Wanganui (West Coast of North Island) ... prior to which it had travelled from Wellington to Wanganui.
The "Sarah and Mary" (which Duncan was to crew on next), loaded timber at Hokitika during September '75 and was destined for the Port of Lyttelton (South Island).
You'll have to get your atlas out no doubt to find these places, but this info, (sourced from shipping columns), illustrates that Duncan was probably in a different part of New Zealand, every couple of weeks !
Sorry, I don't know where you go to from here. 
It may be worth trying a posting on the Australian board - especially looking for a death record ?
Lu
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Ann in the UK
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Hi Lu and Althea,
Thank you both so much for your interest I really appreciate it.
Sailors are always SO difficult to trace.
You're not kidding! And I have a whole bunch of them!  (managed to get quite a lot on several, thank goodness )
I've looked everywhere I can think of for Duncan, but this is the first sniff of a clue I've had. And the reason I think it could be him - aside from the fact that he's a sailor - is one word in that report, where he calls his assailant, James, "Jemmy".
Duncan was a Scot and that's exactly how he might have pronounced Jimmy, and exactly how a non Scottish reporter might interpret it.
One of the other reasons I though it was prob him is, several years later (c1903) his young nephew (who remained childless and unmarried, unfortunately) went to NZ and settled there and we've been trying to figure out not only how he got there (he doesn't appear in the passenger records, so it's quite possible one of his uncles dropped him off) but also, why he went...
We know Duncan didn't stay there, at that point at least, because he was here (in the UK) for the 1881 census, and in 1894 (at that nephew's house) where he appears in a directory. But he disappears from the records here (and elsewhere!) after that and we were hoping this was not only a clue to where he might have ended up but also, it might have given us two ships to go on to get us started in finding his sailing records.
Althea, I think Lu is probably right about how thorough the reports were, I have several of them now, so on balance it might be pointless to shell out for someone to look up the records if they're only going to tell me what I already know. But that was definitely my next step, so thanks for the suggestion.
Ah well, back to the drawing board
Best wishes,
Ann
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