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Topic: HELP! James Curtis Gt Grimsby (Read 558 times)
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Hhodgetts
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Hi everyone, hope some good person can proffer me some help.
I have had contact (from New Zealand) with a very distant relative of my wife. It comes to light that on the 1871 census an ancestor of this NZ relative was visiting my wifes Lidgett family on the night of the 2 April 1871. We have been trying to find out about James Curtis and have come up against the 'wall'. Aged 34 on the 1871 gives him a birth year of 1837 or there abouts, but we cannot find his birth details. We are trying to find out who his parents were. It is believed his father was a George Curtis and we hope to find out that his mother was a ? Lidgett.
The document ref is thus;
RG10/3425/23 p1
I do so hope someone can help and point us in the right direction.
Thanks in advance
Philip
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Northumberland; Johnson, Johnston, Dodds, Rutherford, Gray, Kennedy, Wilson, Sanderson, Davidson and other Border Marauders as they are discovered on this journey.
Berkshire; Knight, Bristor, Sharpe, Sharp, Ashley.
Suffolk / Essex; Perce, Pearce, Pearse, Pierce, Hayes.
Midlands; Hodgetts, Parker, Easthope.
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lynn
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Hi
You really need James Marriage Certificate.
On the 1841 Census there is a James Curtis born Gainsborough 1836 but parents are John and Ann. Cannot find no George Curtis!!
Best Wishes
Lynn
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Geoff-E
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lynn ... the marriage is in the IGI (1865, extracted record)
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lynn
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Hi
I have the Grimsby/Cleethorpes marriage CD and this marriage is entered but there are no parents given for both groom and bride and also no witnessess.
I have a rellie on the CD who gave her father as Tom but it wasnt because no father on birth certificate!!!
Not sure where they got George from!!
Lynn
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Geoff-E
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My BIVRI2 disks give the fathers' names 
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Tirohanga
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Hi I'm the NZ relative of Philip
1881 census birth was abt.1839 he was living 27 Axel Terrace Caistor Great Grimsby with wife Mary Ann and their 7 children.He came to NZ in 1882 and on his death cert. in 1913 he was listed as 69yrs.With George being his father who was a Tailor and mother was a Lidgett.His marriage I believe is that of 1865 to Mary Ann Brewster Clark as her mother was a Clark before marrying Henry Moody.I hope this helps someone.
Thanks Colleen
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Hhodgetts
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It is a strange one because if he was 69 when he died, then his year of birth would have been 1844 or there abouts. Don't like to make it easy these ancestors of ours do they. 
Philip
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Northumberland; Johnson, Johnston, Dodds, Rutherford, Gray, Kennedy, Wilson, Sanderson, Davidson and other Border Marauders as they are discovered on this journey.
Berkshire; Knight, Bristor, Sharpe, Sharp, Ashley.
Suffolk / Essex; Perce, Pearce, Pearse, Pierce, Hayes.
Midlands; Hodgetts, Parker, Easthope.
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lynn
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Hi
Though the NZ Death Certificates are brilliant with regards the information they give, the details are only from what the person giving knows or guesses!!
I had one for a rellie and while it tells me when his first wife died and where she was buried his second wife put both his parents as unknown!!
I have looked through all the Census from 1841 to 1871 and cannot find a James with a father being George.
Incidentally there is a family tree on another site but they have James as marrying a Mary Ann Moody!
Lynn
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Geoff-E
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The 1881 census gives James's birthplace as Gainsborough.
There was a James CURTIS (7) in the 1851 census, living in Gainsborough, although his father was called Joseph
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Hhodgetts
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Incidentally there is a family tree on another site but they have James as marrying a Mary Ann Moody!
Lynn
Yes, that is the same James as we are discussing here who Tirohanga is descended from.
I am at a disadvantage as James Curtis's father (George?) is supposed to have married a Lidgett and my wife is descended from the Lidgett line. I have not previously done any research into the Curtis line as I had no idea they were related until a few weeks ago when Tirohanga contacted me. When looking at the 1871 census James Curtis was staying with the Lidgetts and I had no idea that he was a relative! He is just listed as a visitor on the 1871 census. I do not know if Mary Lidgett the wife of John Lidgett was James's sister, however somewhere along the line they are relatives. Also James has his birth place on the 1871 recorded as Gt Grimsby as Grimsby town was known at the time so it was not to be confused with a Grimsby further south near Boston in Lincs I believe.
Interestingly I found James Curtis with his father Joseph aged 6 on the 1851 census but I was not convinced I had the correct James. However Tirohanga has shared James's death cert with me and that has James's birth place as Gainsborough, so I know I now have the correct James as the age and birth places now fit. However James's death cert has his father as George, not Joseph! It is the death cert that records James's wife as Mary Ann Moody. I wonder who C Little was that was the informant of his death? If they were close to James you'd have thought they would have known the difference between a George or Joseph.........
The death cert also tells us that James was a resident in NZ for 30 years. On the basis that he was 6 in 1851 that would give him a birth year of approx 1845 which actualy fits in with his age at death of 69.
So that is as much info as we have at present.
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Northumberland; Johnson, Johnston, Dodds, Rutherford, Gray, Kennedy, Wilson, Sanderson, Davidson and other Border Marauders as they are discovered on this journey.
Berkshire; Knight, Bristor, Sharpe, Sharp, Ashley.
Suffolk / Essex; Perce, Pearce, Pearse, Pierce, Hayes.
Midlands; Hodgetts, Parker, Easthope.
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Hhodgetts
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Well, I've just spent an hour going through the censuses from 1841 - 1901 and I have been able to trace the James Curtis of Gainsborough all the way through (barring 1861)....... so after all that I do have the wrong James Curtis, as the above never left good old blighty.
Drawing board springs to mind!
Philip
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Northumberland; Johnson, Johnston, Dodds, Rutherford, Gray, Kennedy, Wilson, Sanderson, Davidson and other Border Marauders as they are discovered on this journey.
Berkshire; Knight, Bristor, Sharpe, Sharp, Ashley.
Suffolk / Essex; Perce, Pearce, Pearse, Pierce, Hayes.
Midlands; Hodgetts, Parker, Easthope.
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Geoff-E
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Ah ... James CURTIS 26 Gainsborough appears in Gainsborough in 1871 (husband of Henrietta, eldest son called Joseph). Also in 1881!
Henrietta died in Gainsborough in 1886.
James appears to have a wife called Emily in 1891, so I think we can write of this James who appears never to have left Gainsborough.
He died in 1906 I think.
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dee melody
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For what it is worth, there is the following on the 1841 Census
1841
HO107: Piece: 634 Book/Folio: 4/42 Page: 18
Bridge Street, Gainsborough
Elizabeth Curtis / 60 / Lodging House
George Curtis / 30 / Tailor
Peter Shearman / 50 / Ireland
Samuel Schofield / 50
Martin Macdonald / 50
Matthew Macdonald / 13
With so little information on the 1841 Census, it is hard to tell whether George is married or single. Either his wife had died or James is illegitimate but, if that was the case he should show up on the Census either with a Guardian or in a household.
Unfortunately, this particular George Curtis does not appear on any further Census. There are quite a few deaths in the period 1841-1851 in the Lincolnshire area. Hope this helps in your search.
Dee
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMelody: Carrick, Attymass, Ballina, County Mayo Cassidy:Mayo/Leitrim Granaghan: Crossmolina, County Mayo Mullens: Kensington, London |
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dee melody
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Hello again. Here's something to have a think over.
1841 Census
HO107 / Piece: 630 / Book/Folio: 22/3 Page: 8
Claxby, Lincs
William Lidgitt / 60 / Agric. Labourer
Mary Lidgitt / 60
Sarah Lidgitt / 20
Sarah Sykes / 7
James Sykes / 5
George Lidgett / 4 mths
all born Lincolnshire
I don't know what the connection is, but do you think James Sykes if your James Curtis??
Dee
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMelody: Carrick, Attymass, Ballina, County Mayo Cassidy:Mayo/Leitrim Granaghan: Crossmolina, County Mayo Mullens: Kensington, London |
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