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Lizw
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1851 Census look up request Walter Hill
« on: Tuesday 03 November 09 19:20 UTC (UK) »
Hi
I wonder if someone would be kind enough to try and find a Walter Hill and his new wife Jane (nee Smith)  in the 1851 census.

Walter worked as a gardener at Kew Gardens in Richmond from 1843 and the couple immigrated to Australia in 1852-53, so I hope he was still at Kew in 1851. Walter was born in Scotland on 31 Dec 1819 but the one I'm really interested in is his wife I'd love to know where & when she was born to help narrow down a search for her mother's family (Jane Brunton).

many thanks
Liz
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Re: 1851 Census look up request Walter Hill
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 19:28 UTC (UK) »
Hi Liz,

When did he marry?

1851
HO107/1605 316 6
St Ann's Kew, Surrey
Kew Gardens
Walter Hill, unm, 30, Gardener, b. Scotland
James Niven, unm, 23, Gardener, b. Ireland
William Duncan, unm, 26, Gardener, b. Scotland

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Lizw
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Re: 1851 Census look up request Walter Hill
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 20:00 UTC (UK) »
I had  his marriage date as 16 Sept 1849 but this is from Wikipedia I haven't verified that yet. (?)...Interesting!

Liz
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Lizw
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Re: 1851 Census look up request Walter Hill
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 20:09 UTC (UK) »
Free BMDs kept jamming up on me but I've just managed to check & they were married in Sept Qtr 1849 in Kensington so at least I can order a marriage cert now.
Maybe there was another Walter Hill?? or his wife was living somewhere else at the time?
Actually their daughter Ann was born in Apr 1850 if that helps - surely mother & daughter would be together??

Liz
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Re: 1851 Census look up request Walter Hill
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 20:39 UTC (UK) »
Well, I can't see another Walter Hill, gardener at Kew, born Scotland and ca. 30!! Tongue

Not a family Jane/Walter/Ann, or even an Ann Hill born 1850 with a mother Jane but no father present. Where exactly was Ann born?

 
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Re: 1851 Census look up request Walter Hill
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 20:46 UTC (UK) »
Marriage 16 Sep 1849 Holy Trinity, Brompton
Walter Hill, full age, Bachelor, Gardiner, residence Kew in the county of Surrey, father David Hill Farmer
Jane Smith, full age, Spinster, residence Brompton, father John Smith Forge Man
Having trouble reading the witnesses names: Henry ?Waham? and George ?Banquet?

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Lizw
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Re: 1851 Census look up request Walter Hill
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 20:56 UTC (UK) »
Thank you Tati!

This is great - All I have for Ann Hill (wikipedia again) is that she was born 25 Apr 1850 in England.
So now I need to find Jane as dau of a John Smith.
I wonder if he is in the 1841 census or his dau Jane??

I have to fly to work now - bother!

Thank you so much for this though - I really appreciate it.

Liz
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Re: 1851 Census look up request Walter Hill
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 21:11 UTC (UK) »
Sorry, but searching the 1841 census (which doesn't even show relationships) for a John and Jane Smith in Middlesex without even knowing their ages seems impossible to me  Sad
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Lizw
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Re: 1851 Census look up request Walter Hill
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 03:40 UTC (UK) »
Of course.

Thank you very much for all you have done though Tati  - every bit of information helps.

Liz
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