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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 19:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi Evie,
Can I ask what book this is please  Smiley

Stan

Hi Stan Smiley

Sunderland - River Town & People - A History from the 1780's to the present day

Present day would be 1988 which was produced by Sunderland Borough Council and supported by Vaux Breweries ISBN 0 947637 06 0

Evie

I have that book, what page is the reference to the war hospital?

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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 19:12 UTC (UK) »

Highfield Hospital (previously Sunderland Poor law Institution) is on Hylton Road, the General (a previous name was Highfield Public Assistance Institution) was on Chester Road and now is on Kayll Road and the late, lamented and lovely Royal Infirmary was on New Durham Road from 1867 - 1996

Sunderland Union Hospital was the Highfield Hospital, administered by the Board of Guardians until 1929, after the Board was abolished the Borough separated the Municipal Hospital from the Highfield Institution, and the Local Health Committee became responsible for the Hospital. Under the National Health Service, the hospital became Sunderland General Hospital. now the Sunderland Royal Hospital.

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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 19:15 UTC (UK) »

Stan Smiley

Reference to the war hospital page 189

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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 19:37 UTC (UK) »

Thanks, I don't know how I missed that  Angry The War Hospital on Chester Road will be probably what was later developed into the Physiotherapy and Geriatric Wards. As one of the VAD hospitals was in Jeffrey Hall, which was the church hall for the Venerable Bede parish church, the one at the Royalty was probably in the Union Congregational Church Social Centre, now the Royalty Theatre.

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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 21:58 UTC (UK) »

i was told by my great aunt ryhope hospital was built to nurse the war injured Later it became part of sunderlands hospitals part was cherry knowles for people with mental problems the other part for general nursing.
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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 22:27 UTC (UK) »

The hospital, later Ryhope General hospital, came into being at the beginning of the second world war, when huts were established as an emergency hospital close to the main gate of the asylum, to receive casualties from Dunkirk,  Up  to 1948 it was an ancillary of the administrators at the Cherry Knowle Hospital, then it came under the Sunderland Hospital Management Committee.
The Sunderland Borough Asylum, was also known as Cherry Knowle Hospital, or Ryhope Asylum     

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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 05 November 09 00:32 UTC (UK) »

Ryhope is still using those huts, it's still open.  I worked in them in the 90's.  Never saw anything spooky though (unlike the reports from the Royal Infirmary about ghostly nurses)
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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 05 November 09 07:39 UTC (UK) »

cherry knolls was built in 1895 (sunderkand lunatic asylum) so may be they admitted veterans who suffered mentaly due to life at the front P.S my great aunt was highly educated and was teaching in the 1920s so i think she would not just say the first thing that came in her head.
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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 05 November 09 10:10 UTC (UK) »

In Post No 8 Evie refers to two other hospitals -"one in Kayll Road" - this may well have been the VAD Hospital that was in St Gabriel's Church Hall.  You can read quite a lot information on the setting up and running of this hospital if you go to the 'Donmouth' website that Stan Mapstone provided a link to.  There you will find a link to an article in a Silver Jubilee booklet for St Gabriel's Church tregatrding the hospital.

Regarding the VAD Hospital in The Jeffrey Memorial Hall at the corner of Monk Street/Shore Street, this hospital was more or less adjacent to the Monkwearmouth and Southwick Accident Hospital and also, quite nearby, in the former All Saints' Church Hall in Fulwell Road' there was a 'Rest Hospital'.

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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 05 November 09 14:29 UTC (UK) »

Thankyou all for your comments to my post.  My partner, who is a nephew of  the soldier concerned was born in Kyall Road Hospital and finding all your comments very interesting. Any ideas how I can find out more about the soldier.
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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 05 November 09 15:12 UTC (UK) »

11th Durham VA Hospital    Social Centre, Sunderland   Exact location unknown

This must be the Union Congregational Church Social Centre, now the Royalty Theatre.


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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 05 November 09 15:25 UTC (UK) »

Thankyou all for your comments to my post.  My partner, who is a nephew of  the soldier concerned was born in Kyall Road Hospital and finding all your comments very interesting. Any ideas how I can find out more about the soldier.
nasnas

Hi nasnas,

I did give you the CWGC links earlier, you can either make a new post on the Durham lookups board or the armed services board, giving his name and full details or as much as you know about him from his death cert for example, or you can post the details here.  Then we can look for his service record, census details etc

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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 05 November 09 20:05 UTC (UK) »

Sorry, Barbara
When I looked at your recommended sites, I initially thought they were mainly concerned with graves overseas, so I have studied them again, no luck yet.  And I had not noticed the military forum on here either, so I have been busy reading that information.  I have found someone with the same name but he was in the East Lancs Regiment, so not sure if correct person.  I think I will have to do another post.
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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 02 January 10 22:58 UTC (UK) »

Hi, sorry just found your question...
There was a WW1 Red Cross VAD (Voluntary Aid Detachment) hospital run in the church hall of St. Gabriel's. This church and hall still stand at the junction of Chester Road and Kyall Road and now face the present Sunderland District Royal Hospital (not to be confused with the beautiful but long gone Royal Infirmary).
Going back in time the present Sunderland District Royal Hospital has had many names changes....Originally Highfield Hospital which took its name from the farm and land upon which it stood, some of the old buildings were still being used in my day when I volunteered then trained and worked there.

I was once a RC VAD nurse but since I'm not old enough to have served in WW1 I later did my volunteer stint at the then Sunderland General Hospital which stood/stands on the land betwixt Hylton Road and Chester Road, bordered at that time by Kyall Road (which faces St. Gabriel's church and hall) with Sorely Street to its rear. I trained at this hospital when it was the Sunderland General Hospital and at that time it was undergoing radical changes. The old single storey WW1 wooden recovery huts stood inside the Chester Road gates and backed on to Kyall Road and St. Gabriel's. They had been turned over to patients who basically required medical rather than surgical treatments. Two were used as male and female wards, a further one was used for skin condition male patients and a couple more for physiotherapy. Some had been pulled down but they have now all gone and have been replaced by two car parks.

These huts were warm and comfortable, in some cases with sun trap verandas, but the hospital had been changing progressively. It had been decided at some time that those WW1 men who had been unable to be rehoused or returned to their families would be moved up to the old Union workhouse as they got older and needed more geriatric care.  The UW was then turned into the 'new' geriatric wing under the running of Dr. Woodford Williams. She had radical thoughts on the care of the old and I thoroughly enjoyed working under her. I worked on these wards, in both the male and female wings and found the men to have quite a few tales to tell, although their long standing injuries were very sad to witness.  We often took them out in wheelchairs and walked them around the grounds and in doing so found all the nooks and crannies between buildings to avoid the eyes of Matron. Some of these men had been with us since they returned from WW1 and basically knew the grounds better than we did, a trip around the area of the huts always evoked memories.

It is entirely possible that your relative came back to the VAD hospital and was then transferred over to the Highfield/General hospital huts. Tyne and Wear Archives have some hospital records and may be able to help. I don't know if the Red Cross actually kept any WW1 records but it would be worth a try so perhaps you could ask their Sunderland Branch if they did? Perhaps they passed them onto the T&W archives?

I wish you well in your search and would advise you to get in touch with the Medals Office at  0141 2243600 and they may be able to tell you if your relative or family claimed his, from this you may be able to get more info. Don't be put off by finding that he may not have served in a regiment you think he should have as they often didn't.

Good Luck in your search, I wish you well.
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Re: pensions war hospital in Sunderland
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 03 January 10 17:43 UTC (UK) »

Thank you for your interesting reply.  I will certainly use the suggestions you have given and I will try the telephone numbers.  I have had such helpful replies on here that I think I will ask a few more that have me puzzled!  I print out the answers for the non-computing members of family to read.  As they were born in the area but live away, they always find it very interesting.  Best wishes nasnas
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